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Author Topic: [SWITCH] Paper Mario: The Origami King - "Vellumental Battle" by Greg  (Read 585 times)

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Series: Paper Mario
Game: Paper Mario: The Origami King
Console: Nintendo Switch
Title: Vellumental Battle
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: Greg
« Last Edit: February 23, 2021, 10:35:45 AM by Greg »
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Re: [SWITCH] Paper Mario: The Origami King - "Vellumental Battle" by Greg
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2020, 04:28:17 AM »

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Re: [SWITCH] Paper Mario: The Origami King - "Vellumental Battle" by Greg
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2020, 06:18:57 PM »

Oh wow this is intense! I like it
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Re: [SWITCH] Paper Mario: The Origami King - "Vellumental Battle" by Greg
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2021, 07:22:42 AM »

This track is amazing.

Some small things, first up:
- Beat 1.25 (the second note) of m5/41 should be E# instead of En.
- The second half of m6/42 should be written with naturals and sharps instead of flats and double flats because it's ascending chromatically.
- I would suggest adding double barlines at the beginning of m23 and m31.
- For patterns like LH beat 4 of m33-39, the two tied sixteenths should be written as an eighth instead.

And now bigger things:
- A lot of the time, you only have the RH playing notes, which really takes away a lot of the energy of this track because it makes the melody sound weak and overpowered by the LH chords. I would suggest adding either harmonies (improvise your own) or octaves in certain places to make the RH line stronger, particularly m9-10, m15-20, m34-40, and m43-47. I would suggesting add harmonies/chords in m9-10, octaves to m15-16/19-20, harmonies to m17-18, octaves (maybe with some chord harmonies too) in m33-40, and so on.
- Those consecutive 16th notes in m15-20 LH are nowhere near playable. Can you try changing that part to something else?
- I like the chords in m21-30 LH, but without the driving rhythmicity you had in the LH before m21, m21-30 (which should be the most climactic part of the track) really loses a lot of its impact. Try finding a way to merge a similar rhythmic LH pattern with the chords you have in there now.
- In m45-48 LH, I would just suggest using something similar to what you have on the first page instead of what you have now. To play this 16th-note line while sustaining the whole note, you'd have to pedal (which would sound terrible for the whole 16th-note line), and the 16th-note line just isn't as harmonically or rhythmically important as the chords you had previously.
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Re: [SWITCH] Paper Mario: The Origami King - "Vellumental Battle" by Greg
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2021, 11:11:08 AM »

Thanks for the feedback, you really pinpointed some vague misgivings I had about this sheet.


With respect to the bigger items:
  • Added stuff to most of these: omitted octaves in 15-16 and 19-20 due to changes in the LH which make it less overpowering. Not entirely happy with 35-36 and would appreciate suggestions there.
  • Yeah, I forgot to change this to something playable. Should be good now.
  • I tried some stuff here to add notes matching with drumbeats (mostly). Considering removing the bottom note of the LH chords now (which overlap with the 8th note pattern). I'm also not entirely sure how playable it is: it seems possible to me, but I don't have access to a piano to really try it at the moment.
  • I replaced this with something matching the drumbeat, since the LH more or less consists of the 16th note line with long held chords, which isn't much to work with. I think it sounds better now personally.

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Re: [SWITCH] Paper Mario: The Origami King - "Vellumental Battle" by Greg
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2021, 04:52:00 AM »

Sorry for the delay on getting back to you. This looks much better!

The main thing is the LH in m23-30: it's much better than before, but the problem now is that the chords are really muddy in such a low register. I also feel like when the eighth note part is on the bottom, the motion doesn't stick out as much as I'd like it to because it's so low. I wonder if it's possible to put the eighth notes above the chords/quarter notes, although I'm not sure it would be playable. Maybe play around with that idea, and if it doesn't work, at least try to thin the chords a bit so they don't sound so muddy.

Other feedback:
- For m9/m45/m47, you might consider adding grace notes leading down to beat 3 to simulate the sliding violin in the original.
- In m17-18 RH, I would move the eighth rests back down to the center of the staff since Layer 2 is so low.
- I think m19-20 RH would probably be better written in bass clef (except for m20 beat 4).
- Finale likes to break eighth note beams when grace notes are involved... I'd recommend manually rebeaming m25 RH back into groups of four.
- I'd add staccatos to m33/m34/m37/m38 RH beat 1.
- For m35-36 RH, I'd suggest deleting the tied 16ths on beats 2 and 4 (e.g. leave the 16ths on beats 1.75/3.75 as isolated, untied notes). It'd make those measures look less cluttered.
- Hmm, the quarter note LH rhythm in m21-22 feels like a bit of a sudden momentum break, so I wonder if adding eighth notes to the LH would make it better... but if you're intending for that phrase to be a buildup to the climax in m23-30, I think the quarter notes work too.
- Not sure I'm a fan of having B's on the bottom of all the dyads in m39 beats 3-4... maybe try other notes instead for some of them?
- IMO I think m34 beat 1 and m38 are not powerful enough when the chord is not outlined by an octave. I would suggest doubling the top note below, either by adding it on top of what you have or (probably more playable) changing one of the notes you have to it.
- For m40 RH beats 3-4, you might consider doubling the top note an octave down to end the phrase strongly.

This one's getting there! Really excited to see how it turns out in the end.
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Re: [SWITCH] Paper Mario: The Origami King - "Vellumental Battle" by Greg
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2021, 10:43:38 AM »

Files have been updated. Some notes:
  • LH in beat 4 of m.36 was straight-up wrong, should be fixed.
  • I opted not to add grace notes in m9/m45/m47: couldn't really get anything that didn't sound awkward.
  • Personally I prefer m21-22 LH as currently written, since the original sort of does the same thing.
  • m40 RH I opted to only double the top note on the last note in the measure.
Thanks as always for the feedback.
 

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