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Started by Th3Gavst3r, May 05, 2022, 04:43:47 PM

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Th3Gavst3r

[XB360] Halo 3

Never Forget
[musx]
                         

Static

  • m12: I know this is nitpicky, but the diminuendo here is ever so slightly not aligned with the crescendo in m10-11
  • m32 LH beat 3.5: There is a low C# here
  • m34 RH beat 3.5: There's an E under the G# here
  • m44 RH beat 3.75: There are some additional notes (C# and F#) under the A#
  • m48 RH beat 2.5: I think there's a C# under the F#
  • m67 RH beat 2.5: I'm not hearing the high Eb here
  • m69 LH beat 3: There should be a Db here
  • m74 LH beat 1: I think there's an additional Bb an octave above the low one.
  • m81-81: Maybe put a crescendo here like in m76-77.
  • If you want, you can disable all those natural signs in the key changes by doing to Document > Document Options > Key Signatures > uncheck "Cancel outgoing key signatures". Unfortunately, this also includes key changes from more to less sharps/flats, but luckily you don't have that here so it won't be an issue. I just think doing this eliminates unnecessary visual clutter.
  • Also nitpicky, but Halo 3 was published by Microsoft Game Studios specifically, not the company as a whole... it's probably fine either way though.
Great arrangement

Th3Gavst3r

Quote from: Static on May 09, 2022, 10:19:05 AMm12: I know this is nitpicky, but the diminuendo here is ever so slightly not aligned with the crescendo in m10-11
Thanks for being nitpicky, I spend hours pixel-perfecting sheets myself lol. I used the align dynamics tool this time so it should be right

Quote from: Static on May 09, 2022, 10:19:05 AMm32 LH beat 3.5: There is a low C# here
Yup I hear it, added

Quote from: Static on May 09, 2022, 10:19:05 AMm34 RH beat 3.5: There's an E under the G# here
I hear a D natural in the piano actually. I think the timpanis are tuned to E, but the D natural chromatic approach seems more in line with the low C# you mentioned in m32. I added it instead.

Quote from: Static on May 09, 2022, 10:19:05 AMm44 RH beat 3.75: There are some additional notes (C# and F#) under the A#
I don't hear any new notes, all I hear is the sustained F#M in the chorus with those pitches. If anything I might barely hear an anticipatory F natural on beat 3.75, but I don't think it sounds very good played there since F natural would be immediately reiterated on the next bar. Speaking of, I removed the lower G# octave from m45 because I didn't notice it's kind of an awkward position coming from the 16th A#.

Quote from: Static on May 09, 2022, 10:19:05 AMm48 RH beat 2.5: I think there's a C# under the F#
I don't hear this one either. I'd rather keep the clarity in the melody line anyway, like it does in m54

Quote from: Static on May 09, 2022, 10:19:05 AMm67 RH beat 2.5: I'm not hearing the high Eb here
I hear it pretty clearly myself, and I'm pretty sure it isn't an overtone or anything. Even though it's kind of weird palcement, I think the regular ascending scale sounds kind of bland leading into the most complex voicing of the song. I think adding the octave helps a bit.

Quote from: Static on May 09, 2022, 10:19:05 AMm69 LH beat 3: There should be a Db here
Yeah I hear that too. Added it

Quote from: Static on May 09, 2022, 10:19:05 AMm74 LH beat 1: I think there's an additional Bb an octave above the low one.
I think you're right that there's an octave, but I think an A1 is too low. The tone down at the bottom of the piano doesn't sound delicate enough to me, so I added an upper octave instead.

Quote from: Static on May 09, 2022, 10:19:05 AMm81-81: Maybe put a crescendo here like in m76-77.
I left it out on purpose just like in m21. Most of the phrases in this song fade out at the end, and I don't want the energy to increase into a rallentando/smorzando

Quote from: Static on May 09, 2022, 10:19:05 AMIf you want, you can disable all those natural signs in the key changes by doing to Document > Document Options > Key Signatures > uncheck "Cancel outgoing key signatures". Unfortunately, this also includes key changes from more to less sharps/flats, but luckily you don't have that here so it won't be an issue. I just think doing this eliminates unnecessary visual clutter.
That's a great tip, I had no idea you could do that! Thanks, looks a fair bit nicer without those accidental clusters

Quote from: Static on May 09, 2022, 10:19:05 AMAlso nitpicky, but Halo 3 was published by Microsoft Game Studios specifically, not the company as a whole... it's probably fine either way though.
I was going off the copyright credit on the soundtrack boxart. Bungie isn't actually even credited as copyright holders but it feels like they should be on there too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Quote from: Static on May 09, 2022, 10:19:05 AMGreat arrangement
Thanks! :D

Static

Quote from: Th3Gavst3r on May 11, 2022, 04:54:15 PMm34 RH beat 3.5: I hear a D natural in the piano actually. I think the timpanis are tuned to E, but the D natural chromatic approach seems more in line with the low C# you mentioned in m32. I added it instead.
I meant an E in the RH. Although, now that I'm listening again I hear that D in the LH too.

Quote from: Th3Gavst3r on May 11, 2022, 04:54:15 PMm44 RH beat 3.75: I don't hear any new notes, all I hear is the sustained F#M in the chorus with those pitches. If anything I might barely hear an anticipatory F natural on beat 3.75, but I don't think it sounds very good played there since F natural would be immediately reiterated on the next bar. Speaking of, I removed the lower G# octave from m45 because I didn't notice it's kind of an awkward position coming from the 16th A#.
Quote from: Th3Gavst3r on May 11, 2022, 04:54:15 PMm48 RH beat 2.5: I don't hear this one either. I'd rather keep the clarity in the melody line anyway, like it does in m54
I was hearing those extra notes in the piano part specifically (along with that E in m34). It might not hurt to transcribe those parts as they were performed, even if it is a bit more awkward to play (I think this was a live recording, wasn't it? maybe not, idk).

Quote from: Th3Gavst3r on May 11, 2022, 04:54:15 PMm67 RH beat 2.5: I hear it pretty clearly myself, and I'm pretty sure it isn't an overtone or anything. Even though it's kind of weird palcement, I think the regular ascending scale sounds kind of bland leading into the most complex voicing of the song. I think adding the octave helps a bit.
Ah yeah I hear it now. Idk why I wasn't hearing it earlier

Quote from: Th3Gavst3r on May 11, 2022, 04:54:15 PMm74 LH beat 1: I think you're right that there's an octave, but I think an A1 is too low. The tone down at the bottom of the piano doesn't sound delicate enough to me, so I added an upper octave instead.
Yeah, that's what I meant anyway, sorry if I confused you there

Everything else looks good!

Th3Gavst3r

Quote from: Static on May 11, 2022, 06:59:57 PMm34 RH beat 3.5: I meant an E in the RH. Although, now that I'm listening again I hear that D in the LH too.
Oh right, I totally misread and missed that. Added it

Quote from: Static on May 11, 2022, 06:59:57 PMI was hearing those extra notes in the piano part specifically (along with that E in m34). It might not hurt to transcribe those parts as they were performed, even if it is a bit more awkward to play (I think this was a live recording, wasn't it? maybe not, idk).
m44 RH beat 3.75: I think I can make out an F# in m44 but I can't hear anything resembling a C# and it would be difficult to play anyway, so I added just an F#.
m48 RH beat 2.5: I can't hear anything extra in m48 though no matter how hard I try so I'm leaving that one alone.

Static

Looks and sounds good then. I think it's fine to leave out those notes, and after reviewing the original track again I'm having a hard time hearing that C# in m48 too, so yeah. This one's approved

Bloop

-m32: Maybe you could add a courtesy accidental to the An in the R.H. here, as it could be accidentally mistaken for an A# (you also added one in m42 it seems)
-m37-38: I think I hear a C# on beat 1.5 of these two bars in the L.H., but I'm not 100% sure.
-m66: Maybe instead of tying the R.H. note to that 8th note, you could just change it to an 8th rest, so it doesn't look like there's a connection between that note and the next line.
-m67: I don't hear the high Eb on beat 2.5 of the R.H., I'm pretty sure that's just an overtone.

Th3Gavst3r

Quote from: Bloop on May 21, 2022, 05:39:54 AM-m32: Maybe you could add a courtesy accidental to the An in the R.H. here, as it could be accidentally mistaken for an A# (you also added one in m42 it seems)
Yeah that's a good spot for one, added it

Quote from: Bloop on May 21, 2022, 05:39:54 AM-m37-38: I think I hear a C# on beat 1.5 of these two bars in the L.H., but I'm not 100% sure.
It's definitely a bit difficult to pick apart from the F#M vocal chords in m37. That said, including both notes together on beat 1.5 sounds too rich, and I like the sound of an F# better than a C# because it creates a stronger separation from the C# on beat 4.5 of the measure before and avoids carrying over the C#M sound. I can hear an F# much more clearly in m28 though, so I'm more convinced that's what's really played.

Quote from: Bloop on May 21, 2022, 05:39:54 AM-m66: Maybe instead of tying the R.H. note to that 8th note, you could just change it to an 8th rest, so it doesn't look like there's a connection between that note and the next line.
Oh yeah, I think that's a good idea! Gets rid of that super tall stem too

Quote from: Bloop on May 21, 2022, 05:39:54 AM-m67: I don't hear the high Eb on beat 2.5 of the R.H., I'm pretty sure that's just an overtone.
I still hear it really clearly, at about the same volume as the E from m66 in fact. It's clear enough that in my ears it overpowers what would be the fundamental lower octave if it were an overtone, and I don't think that's characteristic of piano timbre is it? There aren't really any comparable overtones in the adjacent notes either, so I'm convinced the higher octave is well-defined enough that it must've been played intentionally, and I've still left it in.

Bloop

Quote from: Th3Gavst3r on May 25, 2022, 07:41:10 PMI still hear it really clearly, at about the same volume as the E from m66 in fact. It's clear enough that in my ears it overpowers what would be the fundamental lower octave if it were an overtone, and I don't think that's characteristic of piano timbre is it? There aren't really any comparable overtones in the adjacent notes either, so I'm convinced the higher octave is well-defined enough that it must've been played intentionally, and I've still left it in.
Oh yeah, I hear what you mean now (I see now that Static mentioned it too, haha). Slowed down it's a lot less noticeable at least, which still makes me question if it's really there or not, but I'll give you the benefit if the doubt and accept!
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