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Re: Politics
« Reply #2130 on: December 14, 2017, 11:39:45 PM »

It's something. We know there's a place partisanship doesn't matter enough.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #2131 on: December 26, 2017, 12:40:23 PM »

Random political analyses:

After a very wild political year. I feel like things starting to fall into place/calm down. Former right-wing prime minster (during the 90s) Carl Bildt, whom at the moment is a columnist at the Washington Post, talked about how it has taken longer than usual for the US administration to settle. But that it's now starting to get better and more settled down, even though it's still a bit messy. He also talked about North Korea, which he said that he thought there was a 20-40% risk of war (between US and North Korea). But that there might be some hope as the UN had some higher members visit the country. He also talked about the budget which he thought the Americans would enjoy, but that the budget could have some long term economic issues, with the national dept and such. I also heard an interview with another former left-wing (socialist) prime minister Göran Person. Who talked about that he was happy that Trump won, on the day of the election, and that he wrote that "he could sleep calmly, because of Trump's victory". He also talked about how Trump has "calmed down" during the year and taken a step back. And also about how Trump will have to represent the American people. And the thing that worried him a bit was that there were few "politicians" in Trump's administration. Many people whom are good in other disciplines, but few politicians, he said.
And my impression of the whole picture has 2 sides of it. The 1st one is that the American election looks similar to the previous Swedish government/election. Which was a right-wing government, but which campaigned on the slogan that they were "the new worker's party", which was a new thing and also made the socialist party (and the left) upset, as they had seen themselves, for decades, as "the worker's party" (and the right-wing parties as "the business parties/upper class parties). And they won pretty convincingly on that. And although being right-wing, the government ended up more "liberal and center-political", which some on the left even liked. Also his budget (the physical book, or what ever it was on his desk), also looks similar how the minister of finance, during the right-wing government also had some fancy budget plan (like a whole bunch of papers, wrapped in some beautiful straps).
The 2nd more picture I've had is the idea of "history repeating itself". And I've heard some pessimist talking about "omg looks like the 30s, oh no, Nazi-Germany... scary scary", but I think it's more like the 40s. Like Hoover-Bush, Franklin D Roosevelt-Obama and now Truman-Trump. Trump even mentioned Truman in an interview on his budget. And during the 30s we had "the great depression" and from 2008 till like now or so we've had "the great recession", and also WW2, the Syrian civil war/Arab Spring, SS-IS. So I'm starting to see some patterns here.
I also watched a clip with Bernie Sanders being interviewed on his thoughts on the budget and 2018. And he seem "alright", talked calmly and answered with intelligent answers. Before, when I watched him, he sometimes looked completely red in his face and all heated up, angry or furious. And if he's supposed to represent "the far left" as in opposition to Trump, and he's being pretty chill. Then I think that's a good sing that things are calming down, and that the enormous political divide that we experienced after the election, is getting thinner and that the US is getting more "united". Which I think is a good thing, you don't want a nation split in half.

Personally I've also changed my opinion on Swedish politics, and the Social-democrats. I kind of feel like the left has a good chance, and that they can "revive the soul of the parties". Before I talked about how the prime minister. whom also is the social-democrats' party leader, talked about "grey socialism". Which just make me sad because how bad it sounds, it's like saying "boring socialism" or "concrete/hard work socialism". And also the environmental party seems to just have "fallen out of the game". Which also is sad, because they use to be a very creative party, having lots of creative ideas, wanting to change society for the better. But lately they almost seem like a "SJW party". But thankfully, even more recently, in the last debates or so, the party leader kind of stepped up and got back to the roots of the party "the environmental issues" and kind of make you get a glimpse of the party's creative potential.
All this is actually very positive, as I've been having strong doubts in the Swedish political left. And being a very loyal left-supporter, it really hurts seeing that it's almost so bad that you have to switch to the right (because the left just sucked :(). So it feels really good that the left seem to be more "warm" now. If they focus on the people, "the little guy", then they can move on with made Sweden such a great country in the first place (and Swedish socialism's greatest achievement) the idea of "the people's home" (translated version of the Swedish expression "folkhemmet"). And also the idea of "the socialist utopia". If the left can show that that is what they want, rather than "anti-rasist SJW nonsense", then it's a clear vote for them. 

This one might be my last comment here for a while. Both because I feel like politics is starting to "get boring", which I think is good, and that mean that I'll probably care less about it. And because I think that this analysis captures a lot of what I think is going on at the moment. :)
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Re: Politics
« Reply #2132 on: December 26, 2017, 04:09:51 PM »

tl;dr
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Re: Politics
« Reply #2133 on: December 26, 2017, 07:56:13 PM »

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Re: Politics
« Reply #2134 on: December 26, 2017, 08:31:25 PM »

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Re: Politics
« Reply #2135 on: December 26, 2017, 08:34:08 PM »

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Re: Politics
« Reply #2136 on: December 26, 2017, 09:28:46 PM »

tl;dr
-American politics is finally calming down even though it took longer
-War with NoKo isn’t as likely as you might think
-Various journalists of both sidedness of the political spectrum are talking about Trump, some are worried about the lack of “politicians” in the trump admin
-Tobbeh’s take on the whole thing: this election is like the previous Swedish election because the winning right wing party sold itself on being the new worker’s party, which ticked the left off (in Sweden), but the right government started becoming centrist/left leaning
-History is repeating itself: Hoover is Bush, FDR is Obama, and Trump is Truman.
-Bernie Sanders seems chill with the new budget plan, which is good because he traditionally opposes Trump. This means the nation isn’t as divided: Also a good thing

-Tobbeh’s changed his view on Swedish politics, feeling like the left has a good chance
-Swedish parties doing stuff
-Swedish parties not doing stuff
-The Swedish left was kinda becoming impersonal, making people not like them as much, which almost pushed Tobbeh to go to the right.

-This’ll be Tobbeh’s last politics post for a while (he thinks) because politics is becoming boring to him and he feels his analysis has summed up everything currently happening effectively
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Re: Politics
« Reply #2137 on: December 26, 2017, 09:33:44 PM »

-This’ll be Tobbeh’s last politics post for a while (he thinks) because politics is becoming boring to him and he feels his analysis has summed up everything currently happening effectively
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Re: Politics
« Reply #2138 on: December 27, 2017, 01:06:35 AM »

You are a saint.

Please do that from now on, thank you.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #2139 on: December 27, 2017, 01:09:59 AM »

I would agree except I don't think anyone should have to subject themselves to those textwalls to interpret them for us laypeople. Let E. Gadd live. He's done nothing wrong.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #2140 on: December 27, 2017, 01:11:18 AM »

I guess...
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Re: Politics
« Reply #2141 on: December 27, 2017, 01:30:24 AM »

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Random political analyses:

After a very wild political year. I feel like things starting to fall into place/calm down. Former right-wing prime minster (during the 90s) Carl Bildt, whom at the moment is a columnist at the Washington Post, talked about how it has taken longer than usual for the US administration to settle. But that it's now starting to get better and more settled down, even though it's still a bit messy. He also talked about North Korea, which he said that he thought there was a 20-40% risk of war (between US and North Korea). But that there might be some hope as the UN had some higher members visit the country. He also talked about the budget which he thought the Americans would enjoy, but that the budget could have some long term economic issues, with the national dept and such. I also heard an interview with another former left-wing (socialist) prime minister Göran Person. Who talked about that he was happy that Trump won, on the day of the election, and that he wrote that "he could sleep calmly, because of Trump's victory". He also talked about how Trump has "calmed down" during the year and taken a step back. And also about how Trump will have to represent the American people. And the thing that worried him a bit was that there were few "politicians" in Trump's administration. Many people whom are good in other disciplines, but few politicians, he said.
And my impression of the whole picture has 2 sides of it. The 1st one is that the American election looks similar to the previous Swedish government/election. Which was a right-wing government, but which campaigned on the slogan that they were "the new worker's party", which was a new thing and also made the socialist party (and the left) upset, as they had seen themselves, for decades, as "the worker's party" (and the right-wing parties as "the business parties/upper class parties). And they won pretty convincingly on that. And although being right-wing, the government ended up more "liberal and center-political", which some on the left even liked. Also his budget (the physical book, or what ever it was on his desk), also looks similar how the minister of finance, during the right-wing government also had some fancy budget plan (like a whole bunch of papers, wrapped in some beautiful straps).
The 2nd more picture I've had is the idea of "history repeating itself". And I've heard some pessimist talking about "omg looks like the 30s, oh no, Nazi-Germany... scary scary", but I think it's more like the 40s. Like Hoover-Bush, Franklin D Roosevelt-Obama and now Truman-Trump. Trump even mentioned Truman in an interview on his budget. And during the 30s we had "the great depression" and from 2008 till like now or so we've had "the great recession", and also WW2, the Syrian civil war/Arab Spring, SS-IS. So I'm starting to see some patterns here.
I also watched a clip with Bernie Sanders being interviewed on his thoughts on the budget and 2018. And he seem "alright", talked calmly and answered with intelligent answers. Before, when I watched him, he sometimes looked completely red in his face and all heated up, angry or furious. And if he's supposed to represent "the far left" as in opposition to Trump, and he's being pretty chill. Then I think that's a good sing that things are calming down, and that the enormous political divide that we experienced after the election, is getting thinner and that the US is getting more "united". Which I think is a good thing, you don't want a nation split in half.

Personally I've also changed my opinion on Swedish politics, and the Social-democrats. I kind of feel like the left has a good chance, and that they can "revive the soul of the parties". Before I talked about how the prime minister. whom also is the social-democrats' party leader, talked about "grey socialism". Which just make me sad because how bad it sounds, it's like saying "boring socialism" or "concrete/hard work socialism". And also the environmental party seems to just have "fallen out of the game". Which also is sad, because they use to be a very creative party, having lots of creative ideas, wanting to change society for the better. But lately they almost seem like a "SJW party". But thankfully, even more recently, in the last debates or so, the party leader kind of stepped up and got back to the roots of the party "the environmental issues" and kind of make you get a glimpse of the party's creative potential.
All this is actually very positive, as I've been having strong doubts in the Swedish political left. And being a very loyal left-supporter, it really hurts seeing that it's almost so bad that you have to switch to the right (because the left just sucked :(). So it feels really good that the left seem to be more "warm" now. If they focus on the people, "the little guy", then they can move on with made Sweden such a great country in the first place (and Swedish socialism's greatest achievement) the idea of "the people's home" (translated version of the Swedish expression "folkhemmet"). And also the idea of "the socialist utopia". If the left can show that that is what they want, rather than "anti-rasist SJW nonsense", then it's a clear vote for them. 

This one might be my last comment here for a while. Both because I feel like politics is starting to "get boring", which I think is good, and that mean that I'll probably care less about it. And because I think that this analysis captures a lot of what I think is going on at the moment. :)
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Re: Politics
« Reply #2142 on: December 27, 2017, 01:34:44 AM »

If I had a dollar for every syllable here, I could afford 143 DVD copies of Shrek 2
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« Reply #2143 on: December 27, 2017, 01:35:11 AM »

You know he did.
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« Reply #2144 on: December 27, 2017, 01:35:57 AM »

...please don't tell me you actually calculated this

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