TWG 54: Game of Wolves

[Bubbles]

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i cant believe were still talking about the fsm thing

your first sentence is almost textbook wolf behaviour. Saying you're suspicious of someone without committing to him one way or another and actively campaigning he stay in the game is just the sort of thing a wolf would do for one of his partners. You have the alibi, which you used here, of saying he's suspicious without ever having to act on those suspicions yourself, or ever actually contributing to his possible lynch. Humans don't do this.

The first half of the first sentence is textbook wolf behavior, if you want to call it that. I was pointing out that never before in the game did I say FSM was human. Never before in the game did I say FSM was a wolf. As I continued the sentence, I said that I was suspicious of him. If you want to make that an alibi, then you're doing exactly the same thing right here:

I've played multiple games where wolves have used their personal lives as excuses for their inactivity. I'm not judging those people for it, and I'm not suggesting they're lying or taking advantage of anyone else's leniency. We're under no obligation to extend it to them, after all. It's an opportunistic, smart play for a wolf to disappear from the topic, particularly on NSM where it seems people are quite reluctant to lynch inactives.

The mere fact that Bird hasn't moved to kick or replace FSM looks quite suspicious to me; he didn't hesitate to replace two probable humans in slowpokemon and K-Night. My guess is he's worried that replacing a wolf could actually impact the outcome of the game.

Even more damning was our exchange in the chat early last week, when I commented offhand that "Bubbles' playstyle drives me crazy". FSM immediately came to your defense, then summoned you to the chat where you confronted me about it. My question is simple: why were you online, talking to FSM, when you could have been in the chat talking to all of us, actively contributing and helping to determine who to lynch? I expect you'll say that you and FSM are friends and that's fine, but friends can be wolves together. You've done nothing to help the human team this game, up to and including entering the chat unless explicitly called upon, yet you've had plenty of time to fraternize with FSM. That's at best irresponsible and at worst blatantly wolfish. Even now, you've only become active because you're on the hotseat. You repeatedly defend yourself by saying you don't understand why people are suspicious of you (or him) without actually arguing your case. That's because you don't have one.

Me and FSM are buddies (not friends). We talk outside of NSM, and that day we happened to be on Skype. We were talking completely unrelated TWG things (like about how hot he is ), and I wasn't even aware that there were people in the TWG chat. He sent me "04:27 Thiannon Bubbles drives me absolutely insane.", so I went to the chat. I wasn't being irresponsible, I just didn't know that people were there? I didn't feel like talking in depth about TWG at that time? I can't remember my exact reason, it was ten days ago. Having a chat with someone on Skype is different than going into a chatroom where people will analyze your every letter and punctuation and somehow make you a wolf out of it. That was also finals week ( a wolf using a real life reference as an excuse in twg?), and talking to fsm while studying was one of the only things keeping me from exploding. When FSM told me that someone was bad-mouthing me, of course he'd tell me right away so I could come in and defend myself.

I was quick to vote Liggy on Day 1? At that point I believe I was in the chat, and things happen rather fast when in the chat. What about TZP? He voted even faster than I did. Does that mean he's also a wolf? We were discussing Liggy in the chat, and since the phase ended in about an hour from that point things were moving fast. I already had slight suspicions of Liggy at that time, and the chat just strengthened them. Of course at the time he wasn't an almost confirmed human, but theres no way I could have known that. As the chat progressed and the TBWCW list thing was revealed, I switched my vote quickly to TBWCW, as did you.

I think I'll vote Thiannon. All of his suspicions of me seem petty and easily excusable. His main argument for FSM and me is that we're both inactive, but he's been even less active than us.



.....fsm i swear to god if youre actually a wolf

[TheZeldaPianist275]

Even more damning was our exchange in the chat early last week, when I commented offhand that "Bubbles' playstyle drives me crazy". FSM immediately came to your defense, then summoned you to the chat where you confronted me about it. My question is simple: why were you online, talking to FSM, when you could have been in the chat talking to all of us, actively contributing and helping to determine who to lynch? I expect you'll say that you and FSM are friends and that's fine, but friends can be wolves together. You've done nothing to help the human team this game, up to and including entering the chat unless explicitly called upon, yet you've had plenty of time to fraternize with FSM. That's at best irresponsible and at worst blatantly wolfish. Even now, you've only become active because you're on the hotseat. You repeatedly defend yourself by saying you don't understand why people are suspicious of you (or him) without actually arguing your case. That's because you don't have one.

I'm sorry, why didn't you push this suspicion earlier instead of now when there's traction?  "Friends can be wolves together."  So can enemies.  She actually was there in the chat with us, and if you recall, both FSM and I defended her when you called her out.

Thiannon, I don't know you as personally as Bubbles or Zunawe or FSM.  So I guess it's possible I'm missing something that you usually play like.  But if that's not the case, I am pretty darn sure you're a wolf.  Guys, don't just bandwagon.  Think about this.

FSM, now would be a good time to come back 

[TheZeldaPianist275]

like about how hot he is

Bubbles

Wat r u doin

Bubbles

Stahp

[Bubbles]

what i didnt put that there

who put that there

[Bird]

Character List (Quick Reference)

Spoiler

Eddard Stark
Catelyn Stark
Bran Stark
Arya Stark
Robb Stark
Jon Snow

Tywin Lannister
Cersei Lannister
Jaime Lannister
Tyrion Lannister
Gregor Clegane
Sandor Clegane

Robert Baratheon
Stannis Baratheon
Melisandre
Davos Seaworth
Renly Baratheon
Brienne of Tarth

Viserys Targaryen
Illyrio Mopatis
Daenerys Targaryen
Khal Drogo
Jorah Mormont
Mirri Maz Duur

Margaery Tyrell
Lysa Arryn
Theon Greyjoy
Varys

[close]

Character List (with Descriptions)

Spoiler

Character List

There are 28 characters in this list, but only 11 of them are actual roles in this game. The other 17 are false roles given to players and White Walkers to allow them to false claim more easily. This lists each of those roles (real or fake) by their house allegiance, if any. Try not to make too many assumptions about the make-up of the game based on the list or your role PM; I peppered the game description with (probably)s for a reason--it's tricky! The White Walkers may not even be red! They could be white or something! Characters from this list were selected to be in the game at random, rather than based on their importance.

* * *



House Stark
For the most part, friends with House Baratheon and enemies with House Lannister.

Eddard Stark - The honorable Lord of Winterfell and head of House Stark, Eddard "Ned" Stark is a man of principles. He's a good man, but very grim. He's known for repeating the words of House Stark: "Winter is Coming."
Catelyn Stark - Lady Catelyn Stark is Lord Eddard Stark's wife. Born a Tully of Riverrun in the south, she has yet to learn to love the North, but certainly loves her children. She is protective of them, and apprehensive that their safety may be endangered when war approaches.
Bran Stark - Bran Stark is the younger brother of Robb Stark and Jon Snow, and a son of Lord Eddard Stark. He's a kind and loving, with a strange gift for seeing things; visions and dreams of things to come. He also has a huge pet wolf named Summer.
Arya Stark - Arya Stark is the youngest daughter of Eddard and Catelyn Stark. She likes fighting, horseback riding, stealing treasures, killing people... typical little girl stuff. She's fierce, able to disguise herself and isn't afraid to do what she can to get what she wants, which in this case is probably revenge.
Robb Stark - Robb Stark is the eldest son of Eddard and Catelyn Stark and will inherit Winterfell and all of its titles. Like his father, he's honorable, with a strong sense of justice, although he does have a rebellious side as well. Excellent with a sword, too.
Jon Snow - Jon Snow is the black sheep of the Stark family, namely because he is not a Stark. Bastard children of the north are given the surname "Snow," and Catelyn Stark is not his mother. Since he won't inherit any lands or titles, he sought to find his place by joining the Night's Watch. There he watches from a wall of ice a wasteland full of ancient monsters and stuff. He carries around a torch, is very similar to his father, and has a giant wolf pet named Ghost.

* * *



House Lannister
For the most part, enemies with House Stark.

Tywin Lannister - Tywin Lannister is a wealthy, insightful, influential, and powerful man. When he was a teenager he completely exterminated a competing house, literally wiping the name "Reyne" from the Earth. He has many informants and cares about the legacy and reputation of House Lannister more than almost anything else.
Cersei Lannister - Cercei Lannister is as beautiful as she is backstabbing. Which is to say, very beautiful and very backstabbing. On the surface, she's the perfect lady, full of grace and charm. But just below the surface is a woman who is conniving, poisonous and prideful above all else. In other words, sort of a bitch! Twins with Jaime.
Jaime Lannister - Jaime Lannister is one of the greatest knights of the Kingsguard, a group of bodyguards sworn to protect the King. However, he has earned the nickname "Kingslayer" for killing the King (Mad King Aerys) he was sworn to protect. They call him honorless, but that doesn't change the skill he has with a sword. His last name also means he's super wealthy, which is pretty neat. Twins with Cersei. Has a sort of lazy, arrogant coolness about him.
Tyrion Lannister - Tyrion is a dwarf. Not the magical kind, a person with dwarfism. And he's sort of the reject of House Lannister, since none of his family likes him, despite the fact that he often has to fix their mistakes. He's extremely witty and tricky, but weak on the battlefield because of his stature.
Gregor Clegane - "Tywin's Mad Dog" they call him. He's an 8-foot-tall killing machine, with the tactical skills of an ape and the scaring skills of the Bottom of the Well from Ocarina of Time. He does Tyiwn's dirty work: pillaging, killing children, you name it. His huge size, addiction to painkillers and monstrous acts have left him mostly unfeeling.
Sandor Clegane - Gregor Clegane's younger brother. When he was a small boy, Gregor shoved his face into a hot fire, burning half of it, making him look pretty hideous. He's still an excellent swordsman, and incredibly loyal to House Lannister. He's no knight though, and hates all they stand for. He hates a lot of things, really.

* * *



House Baratheon
For the most part, friends with House Stark and enemies with House Targaryen.

Robert Baratheon - Robert Baratheon was once a fierce warrior and commander, crushing enemie and armies with his warhammer. Now he's sort of just a fat, lusty lecher. He still keeps up with the politics and plots of Westeros, but doesn't relish it the way other characters do. Hates the Targaryens for killing his love, Lyanna Stark.
Stannis Baratheon - Stannis is Robert's younger brother. Where Robert was easygoing, Stannis was stubborn and where Robert would let things slide, Stannis would deliver unflinching and merciless justice. A fierce naval commander and zealous believer in a the "Red God" of Melisandre. Also he will do whatever he can to spread information he believes to be true if it is what's right.
Melisandre - A red priestess of Asshai who became a loyal follower of Stannis Baratheon. She has magic powers, many relating to the use of fire, alchemy or poison. Believes she can see things in her fires.
Davos Seaworth - A smuggler who became a loyal follower of Stannis Baratheon. Will do what he can to advise or help him, and is a very trustworthy individual.
Renly Baratheon - Renly is Robert's youngest brother. Although he was never the warrior or commander his brothers were, his wit and looks have made him extremely popular with the commoners. Their love for him will surely give him hella armies someday. Oh, also he's totally gay.
Brienne of Tarth - A woman who would be a knight. Totally in love with Renly, and is completely dedicated to whatever cause he may pursue. Used to getting mocked for being a chick with a sword, but she's good with the sword so it doesn't matter that much. Very simple, not into the plots everybody else is obsessed with. Oh, also she's super tall and ugly.

* * *



House Targaryen
For the most part, enemies with House Baratheon.

Viserys Targaryen - The exiled Targaryen Prince. When Mad King Aerys was killed, the Targaryens were forced into hiding. As a result of this (or perhaps as a result of all the Targaryen inbreeding), he's gone sort of mad. Known as "The Beggar King" since he flees from place to place, begging for an army to take back the only home he ever knew. Also he gets really angry.
Illyrio Mopatis - The wealthy merchant who took in the Targaryens. Lives in the distant city of Pentos and plots to have the Targaryens ascend to power in Westeros by creating a war there.
Daenerys Targaryen - The exiled Targaryen Princess. Viserys had her married off to the savage tribal horde known as the Dothraki so that Khal Drogo might lead his horde to Westeros to take the throne back. She is shy and weak initially but learns to be strong like dragon. She also seeks vengeance for being exiled and her father being killed by the people there.
Khal Drogo - The savage leader of the Dothraki and husband of Daenerys Targaryen. Extremely strong and an incredible rider and fighter. Tough, terrifying and ambitious, there is little he could not do if he were determined, despite the simplicity of Dothraki culture.
Jorah Mormont - When Daenerys was given to the Dothraki, Jorah, another exile of Westeros, served as her guide. He's a knight who was sentenced to death for slaving, and has now found someone from Westeros to serve and counsel. But also, he's a spy!
Mirri Maz Duur - A witch that the Dothraki Horde happens across. Saved by Daenerys, she offers to help do cool magic stuff, like bring stuff back from the dead and set up poisons, cures and curses.

* * *



Third Parties
Could be aligned with anyone or no one.

Margaery Tyrell - The Tyrells are a powerful house that is moving up in the world. They rule over the lands of the south called "The Reach" the breadbasket of Westeros. Loved by her people (especially for bringing food to King's Landing, the capital), Margaery is trying to move up in the world. And for a woman, that means marrying somebody awesome.
Lysa Arryn - Lysa Arryn became unhinged when her husband died. Actually she's sort of a lunatic. She's paranoid, thinks she's seeing plots against her everywhere and has taken refuge in the mountain castle called The Eyrie. They kill people there by making them go through what is called the "Moon Door" where they fall to their deaths. Neat!
Theon Greyjoy - The only surviving son of Balon Greyjoy, the Lord of the Iron Islands. When the Greyjoys rebelled against the crown, Eddard Stark took Theon as his hostage and ward. He was raised alongside the other Starks, and is dark, witty, treacherous and good with a bow.
Varys - Varys is an enigmatic figure. A eunuch who rose to become a King's Advisor thanks to his network of spies. Little happens that he does not hear about, and its a mystery where his allegiances truly lie. Also he smells really nice.

[close]

Players:

- Yugi
- Mashi
- Liggy
- BlackDragonSlayer
- davy
- Bubbles
- Thiannon
- Zunawe
- fank009
- Olimar12345
- FSM-Reapr
- TheZeldaPianist275
- FireArrow
- The Boy Who Cried Wolf

Chatroom

Thiannon was lynched. TheZeldaPianist275 sits upon the Iron Throne. It is now Night 5. Night 5 ends tomorrow, (Thusday) June 13th at 11:00 PM CDT.

[FSM-Reapr]

I have no idea why have I been replaced yet.

Anyways, thought I should say that if you're going to kill me, do it tonight, because if you lynch me, the humans lose.

[TheZeldaPianist275]

This got quiet.

[Bird]

This got quiet.

That's because THE GAME IS OVER!

Character List (Quick Reference)

Spoiler

Eddard Stark
Catelyn Stark
Bran Stark
Arya Stark
Robb Stark
Jon Snow

Tywin Lannister
Cersei Lannister
Jaime Lannister
Tyrion Lannister
Gregor Clegane
Sandor Clegane

Robert Baratheon
Stannis Baratheon
Melisandre
Davos Seaworth
Renly Baratheon
Brienne of Tarth

Viserys Targaryen
Illyrio Mopatis
Daenerys Targaryen
Khal Drogo
Jorah Mormont
Mirri Maz Duur

Margaery Tyrell
Lysa Arryn
Theon Greyjoy
Varys

[close]

Character List (with Descriptions)

Spoiler

Character List

There are 28 characters in this list, but only 11 of them are actual roles in this game. The other 17 are false roles given to players and White Walkers to allow them to false claim more easily. This lists each of those roles (real or fake) by their house allegiance, if any. Try not to make too many assumptions about the make-up of the game based on the list or your role PM; I peppered the game description with (probably)s for a reason--it's tricky! The White Walkers may not even be red! They could be white or something! Characters from this list were selected to be in the game at random, rather than based on their importance.

* * *



House Stark
For the most part, friends with House Baratheon and enemies with House Lannister.

Eddard Stark - The honorable Lord of Winterfell and head of House Stark, Eddard "Ned" Stark is a man of principles. He's a good man, but very grim. He's known for repeating the words of House Stark: "Winter is Coming."
Catelyn Stark - Lady Catelyn Stark is Lord Eddard Stark's wife. Born a Tully of Riverrun in the south, she has yet to learn to love the North, but certainly loves her children. She is protective of them, and apprehensive that their safety may be endangered when war approaches.
Bran Stark - Bran Stark is the younger brother of Robb Stark and Jon Snow, and a son of Lord Eddard Stark. He's a kind and loving, with a strange gift for seeing things; visions and dreams of things to come. He also has a huge pet wolf named Summer.
Arya Stark - Arya Stark is the youngest daughter of Eddard and Catelyn Stark. She likes fighting, horseback riding, stealing treasures, killing people... typical little girl stuff. She's fierce, able to disguise herself and isn't afraid to do what she can to get what she wants, which in this case is probably revenge.
Robb Stark - Robb Stark is the eldest son of Eddard and Catelyn Stark and will inherit Winterfell and all of its titles. Like his father, he's honorable, with a strong sense of justice, although he does have a rebellious side as well. Excellent with a sword, too.
Jon Snow - Jon Snow is the black sheep of the Stark family, namely because he is not a Stark. Bastard children of the north are given the surname "Snow," and Catelyn Stark is not his mother. Since he won't inherit any lands or titles, he sought to find his place by joining the Night's Watch. There he watches from a wall of ice a wasteland full of ancient monsters and stuff. He carries around a torch, is very similar to his father, and has a giant wolf pet named Ghost.

* * *



House Lannister
For the most part, enemies with House Stark.

Tywin Lannister - Tywin Lannister is a wealthy, insightful, influential, and powerful man. When he was a teenager he completely exterminated a competing house, literally wiping the name "Reyne" from the Earth. He has many informants and cares about the legacy and reputation of House Lannister more than almost anything else.
Cersei Lannister - Cercei Lannister is as beautiful as she is backstabbing. Which is to say, very beautiful and very backstabbing. On the surface, she's the perfect lady, full of grace and charm. But just below the surface is a woman who is conniving, poisonous and prideful above all else. In other words, sort of a bitch! Twins with Jaime.
Jaime Lannister - Jaime Lannister is one of the greatest knights of the Kingsguard, a group of bodyguards sworn to protect the King. However, he has earned the nickname "Kingslayer" for killing the King (Mad King Aerys) he was sworn to protect. They call him honorless, but that doesn't change the skill he has with a sword. His last name also means he's super wealthy, which is pretty neat. Twins with Cersei. Has a sort of lazy, arrogant coolness about him.
Tyrion Lannister - Tyrion is a dwarf. Not the magical kind, a person with dwarfism. And he's sort of the reject of House Lannister, since none of his family likes him, despite the fact that he often has to fix their mistakes. He's extremely witty and tricky, but weak on the battlefield because of his stature.
Gregor Clegane - "Tywin's Mad Dog" they call him. He's an 8-foot-tall killing machine, with the tactical skills of an ape and the scaring skills of the Bottom of the Well from Ocarina of Time. He does Tyiwn's dirty work: pillaging, killing children, you name it. His huge size, addiction to painkillers and monstrous acts have left him mostly unfeeling.
Sandor Clegane - Gregor Clegane's younger brother. When he was a small boy, Gregor shoved his face into a hot fire, burning half of it, making him look pretty hideous. He's still an excellent swordsman, and incredibly loyal to House Lannister. He's no knight though, and hates all they stand for. He hates a lot of things, really.

* * *



House Baratheon
For the most part, friends with House Stark and enemies with House Targaryen.

Robert Baratheon - Robert Baratheon was once a fierce warrior and commander, crushing enemie and armies with his warhammer. Now he's sort of just a fat, lusty lecher. He still keeps up with the politics and plots of Westeros, but doesn't relish it the way other characters do. Hates the Targaryens for killing his love, Lyanna Stark.
Stannis Baratheon - Stannis is Robert's younger brother. Where Robert was easygoing, Stannis was stubborn and where Robert would let things slide, Stannis would deliver unflinching and merciless justice. A fierce naval commander and zealous believer in a the "Red God" of Melisandre. Also he will do whatever he can to spread information he believes to be true if it is what's right.
Melisandre - A red priestess of Asshai who became a loyal follower of Stannis Baratheon. She has magic powers, many relating to the use of fire, alchemy or poison. Believes she can see things in her fires.
Davos Seaworth - A smuggler who became a loyal follower of Stannis Baratheon. Will do what he can to advise or help him, and is a very trustworthy individual.
Renly Baratheon - Renly is Robert's youngest brother. Although he was never the warrior or commander his brothers were, his wit and looks have made him extremely popular with the commoners. Their love for him will surely give him hella armies someday. Oh, also he's totally gay.
Brienne of Tarth - A woman who would be a knight. Totally in love with Renly, and is completely dedicated to whatever cause he may pursue. Used to getting mocked for being a chick with a sword, but she's good with the sword so it doesn't matter that much. Very simple, not into the plots everybody else is obsessed with. Oh, also she's super tall and ugly.

* * *



House Targaryen
For the most part, enemies with House Baratheon.

Viserys Targaryen - The exiled Targaryen Prince. When Mad King Aerys was killed, the Targaryens were forced into hiding. As a result of this (or perhaps as a result of all the Targaryen inbreeding), he's gone sort of mad. Known as "The Beggar King" since he flees from place to place, begging for an army to take back the only home he ever knew. Also he gets really angry.
Illyrio Mopatis - The wealthy merchant who took in the Targaryens. Lives in the distant city of Pentos and plots to have the Targaryens ascend to power in Westeros by creating a war there.
Daenerys Targaryen - The exiled Targaryen Princess. Viserys had her married off to the savage tribal horde known as the Dothraki so that Khal Drogo might lead his horde to Westeros to take the throne back. She is shy and weak initially but learns to be strong like dragon. She also seeks vengeance for being exiled and her father being killed by the people there.
Khal Drogo - The savage leader of the Dothraki and husband of Daenerys Targaryen. Extremely strong and an incredible rider and fighter. Tough, terrifying and ambitious, there is little he could not do if he were determined, despite the simplicity of Dothraki culture.
Jorah Mormont - When Daenerys was given to the Dothraki, Jorah, another exile of Westeros, served as her guide. He's a knight who was sentenced to death for slaving, and has now found someone from Westeros to serve and counsel. But also, he's a spy!
Mirri Maz Duur - A witch that the Dothraki Horde happens across. Saved by Daenerys, she offers to help do cool magic stuff, like bring stuff back from the dead and set up poisons, cures and curses.

* * *



Third Parties
Could be aligned with anyone or no one.

Margaery Tyrell - The Tyrells are a powerful house that is moving up in the world. They rule over the lands of the south called "The Reach" the breadbasket of Westeros. Loved by her people (especially for bringing food to King's Landing, the capital), Margaery is trying to move up in the world. And for a woman, that means marrying somebody awesome.
Lysa Arryn - Lysa Arryn became unhinged when her husband died. Actually she's sort of a lunatic. She's paranoid, thinks she's seeing plots against her everywhere and has taken refuge in the mountain castle called The Eyrie. They kill people there by making them go through what is called the "Moon Door" where they fall to their deaths. Neat!
Theon Greyjoy - The only surviving son of Balon Greyjoy, the Lord of the Iron Islands. When the Greyjoys rebelled against the crown, Eddard Stark took Theon as his hostage and ward. He was raised alongside the other Starks, and is dark, witty, treacherous and good with a bow.
Varys - Varys is an enigmatic figure. A eunuch who rose to become a King's Advisor thanks to his network of spies. Little happens that he does not hear about, and its a mystery where his allegiances truly lie. Also he smells really nice.

[close]

Players:

- Yugi
- Mashi
- Liggy
- BlackDragonSlayer
- davy
- Bubbles
- Thiannon
- Zunawe
- fank009
- Olimar12345
- FSM-Reapr
- TheZeldaPianist275
- FireArrow
- The Boy Who Cried Wolf

Chatroom

Davy, Bubbles, and FSM were killed. Mashi was brought back to life. Inexplicably, the wolves have won. The post game will go up momentarily. Please be patient and try not to use the TWG Discussion thread as a place to discuss what happened!