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Author Topic: TWG LXIV: The Dangerous Flora and Fauna of Umbra Damage Assessment (Postgame)  (Read 1799 times)

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Role reveal:

Wolves:
1: Miju-maron: Greg
2: Ryu-jin: Mr. Tanooki Suit

Humans:
3: Tour Guide 1 (Seer): davy
4: Tour Guide 2 (Psychic): Boo Guy
5: Tourist: zoroark1264
6: Tourist: FireArrow
7: Tourist: NocturneOfShadow
8: Tourist (Herring): Toby
9: Tourist (Miller): Bird
10: Tourist (Miller/Wolfsbane): The_Subjective_Thought

Actions list:
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Night 1:
Seer - Bird and Greg
Shaman - Bird
Wolfing (Greg) - Boo Guy

Day 1:
Lynch - FireArrow

Night 2:
Wolfing (Mr. Tanooki Suit) - Nocturne
Wolfing (Greg) - TST Overruled by previous wolfing.
Seer - Mr. Tanooki Suit

Day 2:
Lynch - Mr. Tanooki Suit

Night 3:
Seer - zoroark1264

Day 3:
Lynch - zoroark1264

Night 4:
Wolfing - davy
Seer - Toby

Day 4:
Lynch - Toby

Night 5:
Wolfing - TST (technically Bird)
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Final story:
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     Bird, T.S.T., and Greg ran all the way back to the ship. They stumbled over rocks, vines, creatures, and everything else you could think of. They were so close to the surface, when they were overtaken by a strange fog. Terrible screaming noises could be heard all around them, as if the very planet was in pain from every single one of their steps.

"Over here! Grab onto me!" Greg offered the others.

     Bird stumbled forward and grabbed onto Greg. Together, they made it through the fog, and collapsed on the elevator as it made its way up to the surface of the planet.

"Wait a minute... where's T.S.T.?" Bird asked.

"I... I guess he didn't make it."

     Finally, the elevator reached the top. Bird ran off as fast as he could towards the ship. It was gone.

"But... but... it's... not here..." he began twitching violently. "WHERE DID THE SHIP GO!" He turned around and grabbed Greg's shoulders.

"WHERE IS IT!?!? IT'S GONE!"

"Yes, I know Bird."

     Greg's form dissolved, as if it were made of nothing but mist. Around Bird, terrible things began to take form. Plant tentacles erupted from the ground around him, and a horrible thing approached him, its blade-like arms swinging back and forth to a soundless rhythm. As it reached him, with one hand, it picked him up.

"Your nightmare is only beginning."

     Bird fell to the ground, clutching his head and shaking it back and forth.

"NO! NO!"

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"We found the ship, sir. It was floating derelict in space. When we went to the planet, we found absolutely no trace of them."

     M. Z. Micro sat at his desk, his fingers nervously tapping the desk.

"Not a single one of them? No logs as to what happened?"

"No sir."

     He sighed and sat up straight in his chair. He knew that his company would surely never recover from this.

"What now?"
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Player analysis:
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Greg:
You were seered green Night 1, which was certainly helpful, but your actions only enhanced the humans' view of you (to the point where the seer had claimed to you), allowing you to make it through the game and to victory. Specifically, towards the end, the way you behaved allowed suspicion to be directed away from you and towards Toby. Also, you got lucky Night 1 and wolfed the Psychic. Wolf MVP

Mr. Tanooki Suit:
You were doing pretty well at the beginning of the game, but unfortunately, a combination of a red seering, Bird's actions, and your reaction, led to you getting lynched. It's a shame that Ryu-jin wasn't a conversion wolf...
Day 1, however, I was a little bit surprised that you openly defended Bird instead of reminding people that they were in the place where the red wolf got two votes, and suggesting to keep an eye on Bird because of that. That seems to have come back to bite you.
You also wolfed Nocturne, the mouthpiece for the alliance, which is a point in your favor (and later allowed Greg to take over for Nocturne), although I'm not sure whether that was luck or an educated guess? :P

davy:
Other than seering the Master Wolf and Miller Night 1 (which you couldn't have known of beforehand due to it being Night 1), you were a great special, especially evident rather early on from those two huge posts on the 18th, where you analyzed a few players in depth. Most unfortunately for you though, since there was no permanent guardian due to the size of the game, you were especially liable to be wolfed, which is, of course, what happened. You also seered Mr. Tanooki as well. Honorable Mention

Boo Guy:
You died Night 1... yeh... :-\

zoroark1264:
Due to a green seering that "tied" you to Mr. Tanooki Suit (I think this is one of the few times when somebody is lynched because of a green seering), you were lynched, but before you went, you voted for Greg. A little bit on the weak side in terms of reasoning, though. :P However, I think that if you had been a little more active/contributive/expressing knowledge of the game (to quote Bird, he didn't "even know if Zoroark understands the mechanism for wolfing"), you might not have been lynched, which is something you might want to learn for future games.

FireArrow:
Although you were lynched Day 1, you managed to contribute a bit, with one big post (granted, in it, you mostly suspected Davy :P). Your lynch was semi-random, as it was Day 1, but I felt you could have at least tried just a little bit more to defense yourself and make bold accusations against other players (if even just to show that you could be helpful to the humans later in the game)! ;)

NocturneOfShadow:
You did quite well, I do say. You were able to demonstrate your humanity, which led to the seer having somebody to claim to. It's too bad that the Psychic had been wolfed, and wasn't around to save you.

Toby:
You did pretty well during the game. By Day 3, you had pieced together a possible wolf team of Bird and Greg, noticing how quick Greg was to agree with Bird's vote on Zoroark, but in the end, being overly suspicious of Bird (and less suspicious of Greg) is one of the things that got you lynched in favor of Greg (combined with Greg's convincing actions, and the fact that Davy died before you were seered).

Bird:
You were usual Bird throughout the entire game (which is a very good thing), and you even managed to get through a red seering! Though, unfortunately, in the end, due to a number of circumstances, you ended up siding with Greg. Human MVP

The_Subjective_Thought:
Earlier in the game, you were one of the first (or the first?) to vote for Mr. Tanooki Suit, although your main reasoning relied on his knowledge of LLF's TWG rules (where you can't vote for youself); it was still a step in the right direction, though, saying in the same post that "He seems too quick to tell everyone of his 'humanity'." At the end, however, you went along with the Toby suspicion (makes me wonder what would've happened had Greg not been seered, and thus, not become the mouthpiece for the alliance, which seems to have been one of the reasons for him not being lynched later, along with the seering).
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Game comments/analysis:
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At first, I was worried when the Psychic was wolfed Night 1 and both the Master Wolf and Miller were seered. However, the humans actually recovered from that blow fairly well, Bird managing to convince the others that he was human after all (although the seering of the Master Wolf so early was pretty bad luck for the humans).

Overall, it's unfortunate how the game couldn't have more players (and I think it would be interesting to see how different the game would be if it had more players), but I think it went fairly well as it was. Now that I look back, I probably could've kept the two other locations, and adjusted their effects, but the smaller amount allowed all the locations to be visited (as well as the next result being easily determined by a simple internet coin toss). :P

Coincidentally, on the night Nocturne was wolfed by Tanooki, Greg also submitted a wolfing for TST. Just for curiosity, I checked to see who would've been wolfed. Yep. Nocturne. :-\
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Holy jobby, Greg, you bumfluff!!
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It'll be refreshing to see a postgame where nobody comments "I told you so."

Greg did a phenomenal job this game, he was the last person I thought would be the wolf. Tanooki, on the other hand, had the misfortune of being seered.

The wolves had a few strokes of fortune (killing our Psychic on Night 1, Tanooki killing Nocturne on Night 2) making the latter part of this game, in essence, a manhunt, but their win was definitely well-deserved.
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Bird, be a doll and post the log with you and Gz.
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Sure thing, toots.

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(4:08:36 PM) Greg [chatzilla@NF-339CEAD3.vc.shawcable.net] entered the room.
(4:10:59 PM) Greg_: bird bird bird
(4:11:00 PM) Greg_: Wake up
(4:12:02 PM) bird: hi
(4:12:10 PM) bird: man this sucks, all i know is that neither of us is the wolf
(4:12:12 PM) Greg_: Hey
(4:12:34 PM) Greg_: I thought you suspected me?
(4:12:49 PM) bird: Yeah, I just reread the thread and you did too much human stuff to be in the running for wolf
(4:13:01 PM) bird: Plus toby's most recent post made a good defense for you
(4:13:08 PM) Greg_: thanks toby
(4:13:20 PM) Greg_: That post makes him look pretty human though
(4:13:23 PM) Greg_: geez
(4:13:52 PM) bird: I noticed that TST also defended me when I was seered red
(4:13:58 PM) bird: But I suppose that could be because he thought I was his partner.
(4:14:16 PM) bird: But he also supported the Tanooki lynch
(4:14:43 PM) Greg_: I mean, honestly, if you didn't support the Tanooki lynch you were going to look bad though
(4:15:01 PM) bird: Toby was absent for the lynch
(4:15:22 PM) Greg_: He might just have been offline though
(4:15:34 PM) Greg_: lemme check how long people had
(4:15:38 PM) Greg_: to react to the seering
(4:16:34 PM) bird: I'll pull out the logs with TST
(4:16:42 PM) Greg_: sweet thanks
(4:16:43 PM) bird: There's one suspicious bit I'd like to get your opinion on
(4:16:51 PM) Greg_: Sure thing
(4:17:30 PM) Greg_: It looks like Toby had about a day
(4:17:44 PM) Greg_: I was thinking maybe it was timezone but evidently that's not it
(4:18:46 PM) bird: http://pastebin.com/Z1i89mk2
(4:19:47 PM) bird: particularly the line about the best wolf strat being to target inactives
(4:20:00 PM) Greg_: I'm pretty sure somebody said that before
(4:20:03 PM) Greg_: I'm not sure if it was TST
(4:20:05 PM) Greg_: Maybe
(4:20:15 PM) Greg_: In the thread, I mean.
(4:20:21 PM) bird: Maybe I missed it
(4:20:50 PM) Greg_: I'll just do a search
(4:20:58 PM) bird: oh wait
(4:21:14 PM) bird: oh good i thought that the green wolf had two votes this phase
(4:21:18 PM) bird: but its the shaman who has two votes
(4:21:26 PM) bird: who's likely dead (tanooki)
(4:21:41 PM) Greg_: oh okay
(4:22:28 PM) Greg_: OH.
(4:22:37 PM) Greg_: Okay, it was actually you who said it, referring to TST.
(4:22:44 PM) Greg_: So that doesn't help at all.
(4:22:58 PM) Greg_: Or actually it does: it means TST came up with it himself
(4:23:22 PM) Greg_: but yeah that's definitely weird if I was a wolf I would want some inactives around
(4:23:32 PM) BlackDragonSlayer [Mibbit@NF-E84DAF3F.plspca.fios.verizon.net] entered the room.
(4:23:36 PM) Greg_: ohey BDS
(4:23:42 PM) bird: Another point in Toby's favor was his first argument against davy
(4:23:44 PM) BlackDragonSlayer: Bunnies will die, Greg.
(4:23:49 PM) bird: actually err.... nevermind that doesn't make sense
(4:24:11 PM) Greg_: okay okay I'll vote soon okay???
(4:24:29 PM) bird: who are you leaning greg
(4:24:43 PM) Greg_: Hm
(4:24:46 PM) Greg_: It was Toby before for sure
(4:24:51 PM) Greg_: But now uh
(4:25:08 PM) bird: i'm like 60% toby, 40% tst
(4:25:17 PM) Greg_: Well I mean the targetings of the wolf have seemed to be perfectly in line with TST's ostensible strategy
(4:25:42 PM) Greg_: but I don't think TST would have missed that wolfing
(4:26:11 PM) Greg_: Another point in TST's favor is that he voted first, actually.
(4:26:14 PM) Greg_: No matter what Toby says.
(4:26:28 PM) bird: Why is that?
(4:26:42 PM) Greg_: If you ask me the wolf would be waiting to try some kind of wolf rush
(4:26:56 PM) Greg_: wait do phantoms still count as votes
(4:26:58 PM) bird: I don't know if TST would do that as a wolf
(4:27:00 PM) bird: No.
(4:27:04 PM) Greg_: OH.
(4:27:05 PM) bird: TST asked the host
(4:27:09 PM) Greg_: Okay, that maybe changes things
(4:27:22 PM) Greg_: because then the wolf has to wait for a consensus anyway
(4:27:54 PM) Greg_: and I guess Toby was looking pretty likely as a lynch?
(4:28:03 PM) bird: also i regret going for zoroark
(4:28:05 PM) bird: based on this: http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6137.msg241003#msg241003
(4:28:09 PM) bird: he seems pretty clearly human
(4:28:46 PM) Greg_: Yeah, that was probably also poor judgment on my part
(4:29:27 PM) Greg_: anyway I might actually be leaning toward TST?
(4:29:46 PM) bird: why is that
(4:29:55 PM) Greg_: well because of all the stuff that's come up recently
(4:30:05 PM) Greg_: I thought his initial vote made him look pretty human but that's out the window
(4:30:28 PM) bird: Has he ever been a wolf before?
(4:30:35 PM) Greg_: Not that I remember
(4:30:51 PM) bird: what about davy's box game
(4:31:19 PM) Greg_: I... don't actually remember that game
(4:31:36 PM) Greg_: oh the doors game
(4:31:38 PM) Greg_: I wasn't in that
(4:31:53 PM) Greg_: yeah it looks like he was a wolf
(4:31:53 PM) bird: i think davy forgot to do the postgame for that
(4:31:58 PM) bird: ohdid you find it
(4:32:04 PM) Greg_: twg lv
(4:32:12 PM) Greg_: he only analyzed the first two players
(4:32:26 PM) Greg_: OH.
(4:32:31 PM) Greg_: This might be significant, actually.
(4:32:37 PM) Greg_: But it looks like Mashi skipped a wolfing???
(4:32:56 PM) bird: Well there were good reasons (besides number games) to do that in the choice is doors
(4:33:06 PM) bird: if there were 3 people in one section, one of whom was a wolf...
(4:33:12 PM) bird: and you can only attack people in your section...
(4:33:21 PM) bird: Then if he killed one, the other would know for sure that he was a wolf
(4:33:23 PM) Greg_: Okay, fair enough
(4:33:53 PM) Greg_: but the point is he did it to make him and tst look more human
(4:34:04 PM) Greg_: and it's possible it made an impression on TST? I dunno
(4:35:19 PM) bird: does tst have a wiki page
(4:35:42 PM) Greg_: no idea
(4:35:44 PM) Greg_: probably not
(4:35:49 PM) Greg_: the wiki's been pretty neglected
(4:36:21 PM) Greg_: we'd better decide quick I have to leave in 15 minutes
(4:36:30 PM) bird: we can decide by then
(4:36:55 PM) bird: i pick toby
(4:37:08 PM) bird: toby went through a spurt of inactivity, plus is more experienced
(4:37:19 PM) bird: whether the missed wolfing was accidental OR intentional, toby is more likely to have been the cause
(4:37:40 PM) bird: TST's post reek of uncertainty that I doubt is put-on
(4:37:54 PM) bird: he also was extremely favorable of the Sage lynch which Toby was gone for
(4:38:08 PM) bird: As soon as the first wolfing was made, Toby had an argument pointing away from himself as the cause
(4:38:22 PM) bird: uhh...
(4:38:27 PM) bird: yeah i say toby still
(4:38:29 PM) bird: plus
(4:38:38 PM) bird: When a wolf lasts a long time i'd say they're probably experienced
(4:38:46 PM) Greg_: okay
(4:38:47 PM) Greg_: um
(4:38:55 PM) Greg_: yeah I can't really argue with that amount of evidence
(4:38:56 PM) bird: your turn
(4:39:01 PM) bird: convince me it's TST!
(4:39:11 PM) Greg_: I've already made my points, mostly
(4:39:46 PM) Greg_: but the main things are the wolfing patterns fitting his supposed strategy and the newly discovered possibility that tst might actually have missed the wolfing I guess
(4:39:54 PM) Greg_: actually wait
(4:40:04 PM) Greg_: No, it still works
(4:40:28 PM) Greg_: I feel like, TST being an inexperience wolf, slipping his strategy for wolfing is a definite possibility
(4:40:33 PM) Greg_: *inexperienced
(4:41:19 PM) bird: I think that's probably the most convincing thing going against him
(4:42:40 PM) Greg_: what do you think
(4:42:45 PM) bird: idk :(
(4:43:35 PM) bird: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
(4:43:41 PM) Greg_: hmmmmmmmmmmm
(4:43:54 PM) bird: i might just vote toby
(4:44:05 PM) bird: hey if we both vote toby we instantly find out whether he's a wolf
(4:44:06 PM) bird: cuz insta
(4:44:08 PM) bird: so that's a plus
(4:44:11 PM) Greg_: whoa
(4:44:29 PM) Greg_: bds are you happy making us agonize like this
(4:44:36 PM) BlackDragonSlayer: yes
(4:44:41 PM) Greg_: ffffffffffff
(4:45:05 PM) bird: okay im doin it
(4:45:07 PM) bird: im voting toby
(4:45:13 PM) Greg_: were doing this man
(4:45:14 PM) Greg_: were making this hapen
(4:45:36 PM) Greg_: okay insta time
(4:45:37 PM) bird: inb4 greg is wof?
(4:46:31 PM) BlackDragonSlayer: Hold on, I'll update right now. Just writing the story.
(4:46:36 PM) Greg_: yes I'm the wolf
(4:46:40 PM) bird: nooo
(4:46:52 PM) Greg_: I'm serious though
(4:47:08 PM) bird: well gj if you are
(4:47:16 PM) Greg_: thanks
(4:49:29 PM) bird: why aren't you just ending the game now bds
(4:49:50 PM) BlackDragonSlayer: There's still one more story to write. :K
(4:50:02 PM) bird: just put it in the postgame thread!!
(4:50:08 PM) Greg_: what am I going to turn it into a giant man-eating plant
(4:50:15 PM) Greg_: *turn into
(4:50:20 PM) BlackDragonSlayer: Yes.
(4:50:23 PM) Greg_: welp
(4:50:46 PM) bird: if you want your postgame to be active you should put it up now
(4:50:58 PM) bird: otherwise people will just discuss the game in the TWG discussion or this thread
(4:51:01 PM) Greg_: yes I'm leaving like now bds
(4:51:07 PM) Greg_: hurry up so I can gloat
(4:51:18 PM) Greg_: man nocturne's going to be so pissed
(4:51:25 PM) bird: so what's the story greg
(4:51:26 PM) Liggy [Liggy@NF-C5F7029A.myactv.net] entered the room.
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(4:51:31 PM) bird: how did you know to kill nocturne
(4:51:35 PM) Greg_: I didn't!
(4:51:41 PM) Greg_: I let the other wolf do it
(4:51:52 PM) Greg_: I was actually going to wolf davy but this worked too
(4:51:53 PM) bird: and the missed wolfing?
(4:51:58 PM) Greg_: That was intentional
(4:52:09 PM) Greg_: I knew you or somebody was going to ask why I didn't die instead of davy
(4:52:13 PM) BlackDragonSlayer: Almost done.
(4:52:24 PM) bird: man fuck manhunts
(4:52:29 PM) bird: im so tired of games where wolves don't know each other
(4:53:04 PM) Greg_: I'm going to class
(4:53:14 PM) Greg_: see you guys
(4:53:21 PM) bird: gg greg!
(4:53:26 PM) Greg_: yeah you too
(4:53:56 PM) Greg_ left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
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Greg's just made us all hate risky alliances
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I really enjoyed reading this game! It looked like everyone played pretty well. Also, it's nice to see a TWG story!

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Sorry, Nocturne! You're never going to trust me again, are you. :C

But yeah, having davy claim to me AFTER having claimed to nocturne already was pretty sketchy, although in the end it honestly didn't really make a difference (besides emphasizing how much Nocturne trusted me), since I couldn't kill him until he'd claimed publicly.

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O_o

After looking over the actions, I just noticed that everybody who was seered, except for Greg and Bird, were lynched the next day.

Also, just because:
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Wow this game though xDD
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bird and tst red human alliance, losing games since 2014.

If Greg had been faster on his wolfing we might have actually won this game.

In other news: Green wolves suck, My day 1 vote hit a wolf, boo guy is unlucky, I apologise to Toby, Bird is not going to be strangled and the only humans left by the end were brightly coloured ones.

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i object to being wolfed

i have my wolfsbane flavoured rights
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i object to being wolfed

i have my wolfsbane flavoured rights
DERP

it was bird he pressured me to end the game

EDIT: The National Wolfsbane Association has forced me at knifepoint to retcon the story and say that Bird died a horrific death at the hands of hundreds of Umbra Crawlers as they overtook him in the midst of the fog. There.
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I knew I paid that union fee for some reason!

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