TWG XCII: Seeriously!

[davy]

TWG XCII: Seeriously!

Both wolves are told that they are the Wolf Shaman. They know eachother.
1. Wolf Shaman
2. Drunken Wolf Shaman - Seers humans orange and seers fools blue.

All humans are told that they are the Seer.
3. Seer
4. Drunken Seer - Seers humans red, wolves orange and fools blue.
5. Stoned Seer - Seers humans orange, wolves blue and fools red.
6. Paranoid Seer - Seers every player red.
7. Gullible Seer - Seers every player blue.
8. Foolish Seer - Seers every player orange.

Fools do not know eachother. Whenever a fool dies, it will be posted that a fool has died.
9. Fool Random Seer - Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.
10. Fool Random Seer Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.

There will be no wolfing night 1.
Players cannot seer themselves. Players can only seer living players. If a player dies during the same phase as he is seer'd, the seering wil fail.

Each night phase (except for night one) every player (including wolf and fool players) vote for one player by PM. The player with the most votes is guarded from wolfing. Ties are decided by kitb. At the end of the night phase, it will be posted which player was guarded that night phase.

Wolves win when at any point in the game #wolves=#humans.
Humans win when both wolves are dead.
Fools win individually when they die. The game ends when both fools are dead (even if no other team has won at that point).


1. Dudeman
2. Olimar12345
3. Maelstrom
4. Dude
5. NocturneOfShadow
6. TheZeldaPianist275
7. Shadowkirby
8. BlackDragonSlayer
9. dajwxp
10. FireArrow

Day 1 is over. NocturneOfShadow was lynched. It's now night 2. Night 2 ends December 6th 4:45AM AKST, 5:45AM PST, 6:45AM MST, 7:45AM CST, 8:45AM EST, 2:45PM CET, 10:45PM AWST. That's roughly 24 hours from now. Happy Saint Nicholas Eve everyone.

[FireArrow]

Right this should be simple.

If you didn't seer BDS then seer him now.

If you did seer BDS, seer anyone that you don't think is a fool. We can only all seer the same person if we guard them, but I think guarding BDS is better since his name is already out there as a seer target.

[Maelstrom]

Fair enough.

[Olimar12345]

FireArrow... why are you pushing for a guard on BDS? I keep bringing this up with great points and you keep not responding to them...

If anything, we should guard you. You're active and most likely not a fool, making you a perfect wolfing target.

[Maelstrom]

Eh, your can't be a fool theory could be false. Remember, while a bad idea, fools can get killed by wolves, so it's not a horrible stratagy to play as human as possible. This isn't to say that I think he's the fool by any means, but the possibility cannot be dismissed.

[Olimar12345]

I was not talking about the possibility of BDS not being a fool (which still exists, mind you), I was referring to the fact that killing the fool is only in a fool's best interest.

Don't feel like typing it out again, pls reread the thread.

[Dudeman]

I'm all for guarding FireArrow if we weren't busy confirming roles thanks to BDS. I'm gonna guard BDS tonight.

[Olimar12345]

Common sense has gone missing this phase. Let's all guard the player that no one wants to kill while a human dies.

[TheZeldaPianist275]

Olimar, what are you talking about?  If BDS really is a fool, it is in the wolves' best interest to kill him so we can't figure out our roles.  And thanks to my and others' failure last night phase, they now have the opportunity to do so unless we guard him.

[Olimar12345]

Finally had a chat with FireArrow:

Spoiler

[12:41:39 PM] Olimar12345: FireArrowwweew
[12:50:01 PM | Edited 1:20:40 PM] Olimar12345: Why do you want to waste our guardddddd
[12:50:41 PM] Olimar12345: There are greater reasons NOT to wolf BDS than there are to kill him!
[12:51:52 PM] Olimar12345: 1) BDS is a fool: wolves don't want to lose the game.
2) BDS iS a wolf: wolves don't want to kill themselves
3) BDS is a human:
[1:11:02 PM] Olimar12345: If you can at least acknowledge that the concern I am addressing has SOME validity, I'll feel better lol.
[1:11:21 PM] Olimar12345: Otherwise, it almost seems like a wolfish bandwagon
[1:14:13 PM] Olimar12345: BDS is the only one in this game that wants BDS dead and thank god he doesn't have the ability to kill himself.
[1:14:50 PM] Olimar12345: Lol
[1:16:34 PM] FireArrow: I'm at school rn sorry
[1:18:43 PM] Olimar12345: D:
[1:18:52 PM] Olimar12345: Okay we'll chat later I guess
[1:18:59 PM] FireArrow: Ok I escaped my classroom ehehh
[1:19:25 PM] FireArrow: BDS has value in that he let's people know their roles
[1:19:28 PM] Olimar12345: Well don't go and get yourself in trouble!
[1:19:37 PM] FireArrow: It's silent reading day so no one cares
[1:19:48 PM] Olimar12345: Looool
[1:19:57 PM] Olimar12345: Yes, BDS does have that value
[1:20:00 PM] Olimar12345: BUT
[1:20:19 PM] Olimar12345: that is a shot in the foot for the wolves and humans!
[1:20:38 PM] FireArrow: A fool dying by himself doesn't do anything bad
[1:20:46 PM] Olimar12345: We'll basically guard him and the wolves will kill a human
[1:20:50 PM] FireArrow: It's only when both die that were screwed
[1:20:59 PM] Olimar12345: No,
[1:21:02 PM] FireArrow: Yeah there's the opportunity cost though
[1:21:15 PM | Edited 1:29:44 PM] Olimar12345: When one dies, every following death matters
[1:21:39 PM] FireArrow: That's assuming we can predict who the wolves hit
[1:21:41 PM] Olimar12345: Unless
[1:21:45 PM] Olimar12345: You're a fool too
[1:21:59 PM] FireArrow: I wish I was
[1:22:00 PM] Olimar12345: But that should matter much to the other fool
[1:22:04 PM] Olimar12345: Unless
[1:22:10 PM] FireArrow: Becuase I could pretty easily get myself Wolfe rn
[1:22:20 PM] Olimar12345: The BDS death guarantee would stop you from winning if you were found out
[1:22:38 PM] Olimar12345: Eh just speculating
[1:22:41 PM] FireArrow: I'm confused
[1:23:27 PM] Olimar12345: I was saying that if you were the other fool and BDS was guaranteed a free death, no one would want you to die = you lose
[1:23:35 PM] FireArrow: Ye
[1:23:38 PM] Olimar12345: If you were seered or something
[1:24:15 PM] Olimar12345: You also might want BDS to die too though, if you cared about making everyone else lose
[1:24:46 PM] Olimar12345: Eh but back to the matter at hand
[1:24:56 PM] Olimar12345: No one wants the fools to win
[1:25:04 PM] Olimar12345: No one wants to lose to the fools
[1:25:24 PM] Olimar12345: So why is there a worry about them getting killed?
[1:25:29 PM] Olimar12345: No one should want that
[1:25:41 PM] FireArrow: Becuase killing BDS hurts the humans
[1:25:53 PM] FireArrow: And it's a matter of whether it hurts us more than the wolves
[1:26:02 PM] FireArrow: Which I think it does
[1:27:27 PM] Olimar12345: Yeah, I guess it does. But that's like, acting suicidal in a sense
[1:28:12 PM] FireArrow: I mean you though it was possible BDS was a suicidal wolf
[1:28:30 PM] FireArrow: So wolfing him tonight is plausible as well right?
[1:29:02 PM] Olimar12345: Many of the things I have said in the thread can contradict each other. I've mostly been showing the possibilities that no one wants to consider.
[1:29:36 PM] Olimar12345: Obviously if BDS is a wolf there is a death risk for them
[1:29:46 PM] Olimar12345: Which is not a smart move in the long run
[1:29:50 PM] Olimar12345: (Well maybe)
[1:30:09 PM] FireArrow: Not unless the last wolf plays everything perfectly
[1:30:28 PM] Olimar12345: ^exactly. It's risky, but only wolves and fools have any business claiming fool
[1:30:40 PM] FireArrow: Pretty much
[1:31:37 PM] Olimar12345: So considering the chance that BDS could be a wolf (50% chance just on the odds alone) shouldn't be that farfetched.
[1:32:12 PM] FireArrow: BDS is not the kind of player that would be thay risky imo
[1:32:20 PM] Olimar12345: You think?
[1:32:35 PM] FireArrow: Anyways I think the best way to handle this is to vote in the thread who to guard
[1:33:11 PM] Olimar12345: ^^^^^
[1:33:24 PM] Olimar12345: Although it will probably still be BDS
[1:33:29 PM] Olimar12345: eh
[1:33:43 PM] FireArrow: Present your case and try to convince people I guess
[1:34:15 PM] FireArrow: I disagree with you but I certaintly am capable of being wrong as I've showed many times

[close]

After some thinking, it doesn't make too much sense to decide on a human to protect and discuss it publicly here, where the wolves can easily see it and say "well okay just don't wolf them." I guess even if there is not a very strong reason to guard BDS, there is no reason to protect anyone else atm without it being a complete shot in the dark. We could protect FireArrow, someone whom I think looks pretty human, but I could be wrong. Next night phase we can make a better decision I guess, since we'll know a little more about our roles.

Ninda'd: TZP, the point I was making was that shooting BDS puts the game in hard-mode for everyone, not just the humans. 2 fool deaths = humans and wolves lose. "Why would any side want to UP their chances of misfiring?" was my initial argument.

[davy]

TWG XCII: Seeriously!

Both wolves are told that they are the Wolf Shaman. They know eachother.
1. Wolf Shaman
2. Drunken Wolf Shaman - Seers humans orange and seers fools blue.

All humans are told that they are the Seer.
3. Seer
4. Drunken Seer - Seers humans red, wolves orange and fools blue.
5. Stoned Seer - Seers humans orange, wolves blue and fools red.
6. Paranoid Seer - Seers every player red.
7. Gullible Seer - Seers every player blue.
8. Foolish Seer - Seers every player orange.

Fools do not know eachother. Whenever a fool dies, it will be posted that a fool has died.
9. Fool Random Seer - Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.
10. Fool Random Seer Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.

There will be no wolfing night 1.
Players cannot seer themselves. Players can only seer living players. If a player dies during the same phase as he is seer'd, the seering wil fail.

Each night phase (except for night one) every player (including wolf and fool players) vote for one player by PM. The player with the most votes is guarded from wolfing. Ties are decided by kitb. At the end of the night phase, it will be posted which player was guarded that night phase.

Wolves win when at any point in the game #wolves=#humans.
Humans win when both wolves are dead.
Fools win individually when they die. The game ends when both fools are dead (even if no other team has won at that point).


1. Dudeman
2. Olimar12345
3. Maelstrom
4. Dude
5. NocturneOfShadow
6. TheZeldaPianist275
7. Shadowkirby
8. BlackDragonSlayer
9. dajwxp
10. FireArrow

Night 2 is over. FireArrow was guarded. Maelstrom was wolfed. It's now day 2. Day 2 ends December 8th 5:30AM AKST, 6:30AM PST, 7:30AM MST, 8:30AM CST, 9:30AM EST, 3:30PM CET, 11:30PM AWST. That's roughly 48 hours from now.

[Maelstrom]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AVENGE ME.

[Olimar12345]

Well well well, it looks like my idea was more popular than the thread was showing. And look at that, BDS is still alive! Lol. Rip Maelsteom, it looks like you were a human, which is still not good. Last night I seer'd Daj (since he was the only other person to publically claim) and he came back red. If both Daj and BDS are telling the truth, it looks like I am the Drunken Seer, but I might also be the Stoned Seer if they both false claimed, making BDS a wolf and Daj a fool. Post yo seering resultz.

[FireArrow]

Seered TZP blue. I'm the gullible seer. BDS

Counterclaims exist now so anyone who doesn't share is immediately suspicious.

[Dudeman]

I also seer'd TZP and he came back blue. I guess that means I'm the true seer so wooooooooo