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Title: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Zeta on September 29, 2019, 03:06:12 PM
Submission Information:

Series: Donkey Kong
Game: Donkey Kong Land
Console: Game Boy
Title: Kremlantis
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: Jack (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5682)

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Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Jack on September 29, 2019, 03:22:44 PM
What a nice tune!

Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Static on October 03, 2019, 06:53:27 PM
Quote from: Jack on September 29, 2019, 03:22:44 PMWhat a nice tune!
You bet! Great arrangement too.

Alright, feedback time:
It looks like you use NotePad, so I went ahead and made these edits for you (also added hidden accents for m2-4). If you need anything changed back that you can't fix yourself, let me know. Here's (https://drive.google.com/open?id=10824MK4OFhbVl_QfXadIYhR_DrQY3O3u) the files.

Here are some extra suggestions for you to consider. I didn't make these changes in the files.

Edit: Did a little more digging about the composer info and this is what I found:

His website (https://web.archive.org/web/20180507212104/http://www.graemenorgate.com/) (the most recent version doesn't have this info anymore) seems to indicate he only composed a handful of tracks, while Wise composed the rest. If this is everything he wrote, then it's only Wise who should be credited in the sheet.
List of Tracks
(https://i.imgur.com/dPVAwwi.png)
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Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Jack on October 04, 2019, 11:58:27 AM
Quote from: Static on October 03, 2019, 06:53:27 PMYou bet! Great arrangement too.

Alright, feedback time:
  • This would look great with 3 measures per system. Right now, some of the 16th note parts look pretty squished.
  • Your dynamic markings are in general not consistently centered vertically. Also the mezzopiano at the beginning clashes with the crescendo.
  • There's a clashing issue with the tempo marking. This can be fixed by having both the text and tempo under one marking instead of separate.
  • That 3-note rhythm in the RH of m6, 11, and 12 is actually a quarter note triplet (each note is equally spaced apart).
  • Some of the system spacing is too close to copyright text/titles/page numbers/etc.
  • Sometimes, the 8va markings are touching notes, or is too far away from them.
It looks like you use NotePad, so I went ahead and made these edits for you (also added hidden accents for m2-4). If you need anything changed back that you can't fix yourself, let me know.
Looks great! Thanks!

Quote from: Static on October 03, 2019, 06:53:27 PMHere are some extra suggestions for you to consider. I didn't make these changes in the files.
  • m2: You can use that simile for the crescendos/diminuendos if you want to, so you don't have to have those written out a bunch of times. A simile marking might be useful in m14 as well.
  • It looks like both David Wise and Graeme Norgate are credited as composers for this game. I couldn't find any other information on which specific tracks were composed by who, so both composers should probably be credited.
Done. (I credited only Wise.)

Quote from: Static on October 03, 2019, 06:53:27 PM
  • Did you mean to put a senza pedale marking at m5, or do you want pedal used for the entire piece? I'm just curious.
No - I think that the pedal should be used throughout to create the distant kind of sound with this piece.

This looks good to me - thanks for your help!
Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Static on October 04, 2019, 02:22:40 PM
Looks great! The pedal use makes perfect sense to me, I just wanted to clarify. I'll be approving this one now.
Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Libera on October 04, 2019, 02:49:58 PM
Looks great!  Just a few things from me:

Firstly, the copyright/url was too low so I've moved that and then respaced the systems accordingly.  Here's a file for you to use with that in place: File (https://www.dropbox.com/s/qb3eybsx3qnfcuy/Kremlantis%20%28Libera%20Edit%29.mus?dl=1).

Some other comments that you should be able to address yourself:

-The slur in bar 5 and 7 should go to the final tied note, like this:
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/492809359961882625/629796296689188920/unknown.png
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and then similarly for bar 7.
-The con pedale indication should ideally be made using the expression tool rather than the text tool.  This ensures that if anything on the sheet gets moved, then the con pedale will remain attached to the thing being moved.  I've just realised that I actually fixed this in the file above accidentally, but hopefully that's fine.
-I'm not sure I fully agree with the 8va use in bars 1-4 and 13-24.  The bass doesn't sound that low to me and it makes the transition from bar 4 to bar 5 seem a bit odd as the bass jumps up in register by a large amount.  If there's a particular reason for having it so low, then feel free to explain it to me.

All the notes look good to me!
Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Jack on October 06, 2019, 12:17:27 PM
Quote from: Libera on October 04, 2019, 02:49:58 PM.-I'm not sure I fully agree with the 8va use in bars 1-4 and 13-24.  The bass doesn't sound that low to me and it makes the transition from bar 4 to bar 5 seem a bit odd as the bass jumps up in register by a large amount.  If there's a particular reason for having it so low, then feel free to explain it to me.
I was thinking about this myself - I was listening to the tune, plunking out notes on the piano, and in the start, the F certainly didn't sound like it was in the same register as the bass in bar 5 - yes, the notes written on the sheet sounded low, but there definitely was a difference in the original track.
I do agree that the bass jumps are odd - thoughts?
Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Libera on October 13, 2019, 02:10:41 PM
Quote from: Jack on October 06, 2019, 12:17:27 PMI was thinking about this myself - I was listening to the tune, plunking out notes on the piano, and in the start, the F certainly didn't sound like it was in the same register as the bass in bar 5 - yes, the notes written on the sheet sounded low, but there definitely was a difference in the original track.
I do agree that the bass jumps are odd - thoughts?

It's fine if you want to keep it that way.  I can see where you're coming from a bit more now.  You still need to address the other feedback though before I can sign off on this.  I fixed a few of the things for you, but it seems like you've replaced my file with the old one.  If you'd prefer to make the edits that's fine, but they do need to be made.
Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Jack on October 13, 2019, 05:26:32 PM
Of course - the only thing I needed to change was the slur in bar 7, right?
Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Libera on October 14, 2019, 03:45:54 PM
Bar 5 and bar 7.
Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Jack on October 14, 2019, 06:24:37 PM
Yep - bar 5 was changed in the file you gave me.  Everything should be done now.
Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Libera on October 17, 2019, 04:06:58 PM
It still looks wrong to me.  Maybe you've confused files?  The slurs should go to the final tied note, like this:

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/492809359961882625/634527758210564096/unknown.png
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Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Jack on October 18, 2019, 12:17:07 PM
OH! Yeah I confused the files.
So sorry - NOW everything should be good.
Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Libera on October 18, 2019, 04:07:38 PM
So, for some reason opening that .mus file crashes my finale and all of the other updaters' finales.  So, would you mind re-exporting it and we'll hope that it works that time?  If that still doesn't work, Static still has his file from before and we can edit that one to match the pdf.
Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Jack on October 19, 2019, 03:45:03 PM
Wierd. I re-exported it. Does it work now?
Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Libera on October 19, 2019, 04:05:38 PM
:/ No it still didn't work for me, I'm not sure what was going on.  I've edited Static's old file to make it look like the pdf you posted.  If you want to just confirm you're ok with what I've put up, I'll accept this.
Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Jack on October 20, 2019, 06:37:29 AM
Alright - I'm sorry, I don't know what happened with my files, but somewhere along the line, there was a simile marking in bar 14 and invisible accents through bar 16, but it was lost between files. If you could just change that, I'd be happy with this sheet.
Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Libera on October 20, 2019, 08:10:07 AM
Consider it done!  And don't worry about the files, sometimes things just go wrong with files.  Something to try in future would be maybe renaming it, or copying the music into a new document.

Anyway, accepting!
Title: Re: [GB] Donkey Kong Land - "Kremlantis" by Jack
Post by: Zeta on October 20, 2019, 08:10:18 AM
This submission has been accepted by Libera (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5291).

~Zeta, your friendly NSM-Bot