Before this starts, I'm not going to allow a game like last time to occur. Therefore, there will be rules to being able to host. These are loosely based upon what Mashi said in the suggestion topic.
In order to Host, a player must prove to be experienced, knowledgeable, skilled and have the time to be a host.
This means:
- A player must have played an ample amount of games. This means, at least 3 games played.
- A player must have been active in said games. If you can't be active as a player, you can't be trusted as a host.
- A host is more active than any player and needs to devote time every day.
- An honourable mention, or showing constant skilled play in several games played.
- An understanding of TWG fundamentals, terminology, and role specifics.
- Able to constructively criticize and analyze players during the Post Game.
- Able to prepare a post game, which requires much thought and analyzing of the players in the game.
- Able to be a good sport, TWG is a team game, not a lone wolf
Another trait that isn't required, but would be really nice for hosts to have is good grammar and spelling.
So, after hunkering down and learning the nitty gritty and "taking" TWG 101 from some people and looking at "the Basics" in other forums, I feel I get a "traffic school" pass for my second game.
Here is a submission for TWG XI! (and I will be pretty active on the site starting tomorrow again! woo!)
Without further ado, je vous presente
TWG XI â€" Beyond Azincourt
In the midst of the 100 Years War, the French were trying to expel the English from Mainland Europe, taking the English possessions of Aquitaine and making the Duke of Burgundy (who was sided with the British) join the fledgling French state. The Battle of Azincourt was a decisive battle that shaped the next 38 years for paving the path to French Victory (as Azincourt was the final English victory). Anyways, the French decided to lead a secret seige on a fortification that the English built, located around the City of Rouen. The French forces held on the opposite side on a hill top away from Rouen. Nightly, the English forces sneak into the French camps and captured and killed people of the French forces. After yelling “Quel Outrage“, the French decided to prepare themselves, using special units of their forces. The French also held daily lynchings of their own personnel for the hiding traitors. Will the siege on Rouen be a success, or will the English wipe the French forces from existence.
Roles:
Duke of Burgundy - The Master Wolf. They are Seer’d Green until a certain event. The Duke of Burgundy is French in body, but English in thought.
King of England - The Wolf with a vengeance. When lynched, they can bring someone down with them, unless they have a special power
Holy Roman Emperor - sharing the same religion with France has it’s perks. They can Seer a player each night.
The Pope - Seeing an unjust war causes problems for Catholicism. The Pope PMs Host with a player’s name and will cause their vote to not count for that day. They can recant their vote during the same day phase that the vote will be invalid for that player.
Artisan - The Artisan is a very important person to the French. Every night, they create a Soulful Masterpiece, which enables the Artisan to use to strip the powers away from The Pope or the Ã,me de Sol by sending the host a PM with a single name (not necessarily the color). They also use their power to redirect the Pope’s attention. If the PM that the Pope sends in matches a second name used for this purpose on the Artisan’s PM, the Pope’s block is null and void.
La Sainte - The Seer for the French army. If the The Pope picks La Sainte, La Sainte can now see true seering results (the Duke of Burgundy is Seer’d Red and the Fleur-de-Lis is Seer’d Green). They can send a single name to the host of who they want to Seer.
Duke of Anjou - The Guardian of the French Military. He can guard a person for as long as his services are needed. The Duke of Anjou CANNOT guard himself
Fleur-de-Lis - The symbol of the French Monarchy, the Fleur-de-Lis will not die if the King of England is executed and is chosen. They will be Seer’d Orange until an event happens.
Frenchman
Frenchman
Frenchman
Frenchman
Frenchman
Ã,me de Sol - When a Player is lynched during the Day phase; the Ã,me de Sol can revive them once and then they become a Human in name only and still will be Seer'd Purple. They will not count toward the Human count. They cannot be wolfed.
Winning Conditions:
Frenchmen - Eliminate the English
The English Rulers - Become 1:1 with the Frenchmen
The Special Frenchmen - See Frenchmen
The Pope and Ã,me de Sol - They win with the French
I will be happy to answer any questions you might have, or clarifications on the roles
I hate history so much, and truthfully get enough about it at school, but I guess that'd be fine.
Why do all of the hosts place such a value on story? I just wanna play. :(
great ideas... good story.. i just think its way too complicated and too many special powers/items.... maybe dial it down a bit like 2 special wolfs and 2 or 3 special humans depending on what special wolfs you kept... just a thought
It's actually fairly simple... just if your the Pope or the Ã,me de Sol, then you have a special adendum and stuff... but they needed to have a winning condition...
Mashi, who is kind of enlightened in the fact of hosting and stuff... since he did it multiple times elsewhere, he felt that it is nice and balanced... my explanations are just kinda confusing, though.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 19, 2010, 06:21:38 AMI hate history so much, and truthfully get enough about it at school, but I guess that'd be fine.
Why do all of the hosts place such a value on story? I just wanna play. :(
You don't know where you're going unless you know where you're from!
I wrote a 15 page "children's story" in French, and it revolved around the Duke of Burgundy, so I wanted to take my favorite War and put it into TWG!
It really is simple, but really complicated. XD!!!
I'm going to try to sum it up.
Event X - Purple or orange guesses Wind, Fire, or Earth (at least 1) correctly
Wind (Blue) - can strip the powers of orange and purple if their name is guessed correctly.
Can also null and void the effects of Purple and Orange if the target is guessed correctly? (correct me if I'm wrong...)
- blue2 - Can seer players. After event X, all players are seered correctly.
- blue3 - Guardian, can not guard himself
Earth (Green) - Will be seered orange until event X.
QUESTION: Correct me if I'm wrong, but this person can not die if red2 is executed?
- green1-5 The common people with no influence whatsoever.
Fire (Red) - seered green until event X.
- red2 - If lynched, can take a frenchman or revived frenchman/wolf with them. Because all others have powers. (correct me if I'm wrong...)
- red3 - Wolf Shaman, can seer players
Orange - guesses earth, fire, and wind to win.
Can null and void one player's vote per day.
Purple - guesses earth, fire, and wind to (a winner is you)!!
Can revive a player once per day phase; that person becomes purple and also tries to guess earth, fire, and wind.
QUESTION: Do the purple players each get separate guesses?
QUESTION: If a seal bearer dies, do they still have to be guessed?
And if seal bearers are revived as purples?
If anybody comes up with something simpler, I don't know what I'll vote for....
This game seems very interesting, but might get less votes due to complexity.
I won't vote until more games are posted, although this is definitely a good candidate.
I think you've had your three games by now, right?
You hosting shouldn't be a problem anymore. Last time you tried to host was after the incident.
Let us speak no more of it!!!
Event X - Purple or orange guesses Wind, Fire, or Earth (at least 1) correctly They guess three each night
Artisan - can strip the powers of orange and purple if their name is guessed correctly. The Artisan can strip the powers of Orange if they guess the Orange... Purple's powers cant be stripped.
Can also null and void the effects of Purple and Orange if the target is guessed correctly? (correct me if I'm wrong...) Artisan can ONLY null the Orange if guessed correctly
- blue2 - Can seer players. After event X, all players are seered correctly. Oui!
- blue3 - Guardian, can not guard himself Bingo!
Fleur-de-Lis - Will be seered orange until event X. Yeppers
QUESTION: Correct me if I'm wrong, but this person can not die if red2 is executed? Correct!
- green1-5 The common people with no influence whatsoever. Yep... pointless roles... haha
Duke of Burgundy - seered green until event X. Got that right!
- red2 - If lynched, can take a frenchman or revived frenchman/wolf with them. Because all others have powers. (correct me if I'm wrong...) They can take down anyone that voted for them, unless it is the Fleur-de-Lis. They wouldn't want to take down a fellow wolf
- red3 - Wolf Shaman, can seer players Easy as Pie with this one!
Orange - guesses earth, fire, and wind to win.
Can null and void one player's vote per day. you got the Orange Role down, here!
Purple - guesses earth, fire, and wind to (a winner is you)!!
Can revive a player once per day phase; that person becomes purple and also tries to guess earth, fire, and wind. Almost! They can only revive a player ONCE and that's it... no more reviving.
QUESTION: Do the purple players each get separate guesses? they are working on their own, so they give their own guesses
QUESTION: If a seal bearer dies, do they still have to be guessed? Yes!
And if seal bearers are revived as purples? No, they are revealed as their true color
Any other questions???
Once someone posts something pertaining to this topic, I will create a walkthrough on what happens in each phase!
Oh God whatever happens please don't turn this TWG forum into a LLF-esque forum. The only thing that bugs me more than a poorly designed game is a game that has special roles for every goddamn player involved.
That being said, I think drp has put a lot of care and thought into the details of his game, but that turned out to be his ailment. There is too much going on at once in the game(and no, the more going on doesn't mean the higher level of complexity or intellectual design), and most of the roles(especially the Artisan) aren't going to be very useful since their abilities are so conditional that the odds of them affecting the game are very unlikely. There's an abundance of blue roles, and so many blues and greens that the reds are at a likely disadvantage as the game progresses.
Also, the guardian not being able to guard himself is a huge turnoff, since what guardian doesn't learn to guard himself before guarding others(or how can that even be possible? Especially for a French Military official). I'm not saying no to this game, but a lot needs to be toned down and tuned together better before I'd say it's really hosting-worthy.
Thank you for saying that, I've been dying to! xD
I want to play a very uncomplicated game, quite honestly. Where I'm either a human, a wolf, a seer or perhaps a guardian.
The Lantern Keeper's Strange Man was okay, but this is too detailed.
I vote no to DrP's game, if we get votes.
Kinda stealing the post format of drp, sorry.
TWG XI - The Second Great Fairy War
Several years after the ordeal from Touhou 12.8, Cirno, Daiyousei, and some of the Nameless Fairies decided to trash the Three Mischevious Fairies' home for kicks and giggles. Once Sunnymilk and co. returned from doing stuff, they are shocked at the damage done to their home. Wanting revenge, Sunnymilk, Lunachild, and Star Sapphire decided to go after Cirno and destroy her and her little accomplices.
Roles:
Sunnymilk - The leader of the Fairies, seen as a Nameless Fairy
Lunachild - When killed, brings another player down.
Star Sapphire - Able to see what role a non-red player is.
Cirno - Able to make one ice shield per turn in order to protect a player.
Daiyousei - Able to see what role a player is.
Nameless Fairy
Nameless Fairy
Nameless Fairy
Nameless Fairy
Nameless Fairy
Nameless Fairy
Nameless Fairy
Nameless Fairy
Item:
Extra life - Given to a Nameless Fairy, brings a wolfed player back to life.
It sucks, doesn't it? >_<
For being written down in 8 minutes, I thought I did a fairly good job...
I can also get rid of/add more Nameless Fairies if need be
EDIT: Added 2 more nameless fairies and fixed the item description.
I like it! Not overly simple, but not too complicated! There some things wrong with it, or as I like to say,
THE TWO PROBLEMS WITH DUDE'S TOUHOU TWG
1. There aren't enough Nameless Fairies, but you said you could add more, so that shouldn't be a problem.
2. You have two choices: Get rid of a wolf or get rid of the item. I say get rid of the item, as all it does is stall the humans from winning. If a person comes back to life, he or she is proven a wolf. I say either change that to a general revive item, and give it to either a human or a wolf, or get rid of it altogether.
Fix those two things, and you have my vote!
SORRY DRP
Slow....
That is a general revive item. It doesn't say anything about only belonging to wolves.
I was planning on giving the Extra life to a nameless fairy and it would only work on a wolfed player, not a lynched one, meaning only a nameless fairy or cirno/daiyousei would be revived.
I'll edit it now.
I've made some changes to my game that make it SO much less complicated... taking out the Sealbearers and eliminating a certain aspect in a role.
The Pope is just an ordinary Ballot Rigger and the Ã,me de Sol is just a reviving human... both of which are just going to be special humans with a different color attached to them and hold a special power
Nakah: Even though the Guardian that can't guard himself is a great turn off, I do have to make the game LESS human sided... he'll probably be busy guarding the seer anyways.
Dude: You kinda stole some roles, too... and other stuff in a sense!
Slow: You are just out on a vendetta against my game because it has a history based story, huh?
Everyone: You can't handle complexity one bit... I was going to show how easy it was (and I still will below)... once I draw it out, it may be easier to understand off the ORIGINAL game... the updated game just took some things away from gameplay
Night:
Wolves: Vote like normal... whatever wolves do
HRE: Send PM to host with Wolfing and the one he wants to Seer
Artisan: Sends PM to host with a single name of a person who they think is the Pope/Ã,me de Sol and a Name that they think the Pope is going to block
Seer: Sends name of person they want to Seer
Guardian: Sends name of who they want to guard
The Pope: Sends PM to host of who they want to prevent from voting, as well as three names of the three Sealbearers
Ã,me de Sol: Sends PM to host with three names of potential Sealbearers
Day:
Everyone: normal suspicions and stuff... as well as voting
Ã,me de Sol: When someone dies, they can revive them during this phase
It's fairly simple... I have no idea why everyone's confused
Quote from: drpamplemousse on September 20, 2010, 04:56:56 PMDude: You kinda stole some roles, too... and other stuff in a sense!
Not really, everyone knows the guardian, seer, master wolf, special wolves, etc are add-ons that
everyone can use.
Also, don't be pissy just because mine has better playability.
.__. Okay, let's not get into that. Nakah can put up a poll later.
And sorry Dude, I thought it meant it could only work on a wolf. LOL
Quote from: drpamplemousse on September 20, 2010, 04:56:56 PMThe Pope is just an ordinary Ballot Rigger and the Ã,me de Sol is just a reviving human... both of which are just going to be special humans with a different color attached to them and hold a special power
Nakah: Even though the Guardian that can't guard himself is a great turn off, I do have to make the game LESS human sided... he'll probably be busy guarding the seer anyways.
Dude: You kinda stole some roles, too... and other stuff in a sense!
Slow: You are just out on a vendetta against my game because it has a history based story, huh?
Everyone: You can't handle complexity one bit... I was going to show how easy it was (and I still will below)... once I draw it out, it may be easier to understand off the ORIGINAL game... the updated game just took some things away from gameplay
Night:
Wolves: Vote like normal... whatever wolves do
HRE: Send PM to host with Wolfing and the one he wants to Seer
Artisan: Sends PM to host with a single name of a person who they think is the Pope/Ã,me de Sol and a Name that they think the Pope is going to block
Seer: Sends name of person they want to Seer
Guardian: Sends name of who they want to guard
The Pope: Sends PM to host of who they want to prevent from voting, as well as three names of the three Sealbearers
Ã,me de Sol: Sends PM to host with three names of potential Sealbearers
Day:
Everyone: normal suspicions and stuff... as well as voting
Ã,me de Sol: When someone dies, they can revive them during this phase
It's fairly simple... I have no idea why everyone's confused
To start, this is made from my phone, making several things hard to do. Bear with me.
It's not that it's overly complicated. It's that a complex game doesn't want to be played. I don't think you are ready to host anyways.
You said Dude stole roles, well, roles get used, and used again. His game isn't full of power roles. 9 out of your 14 roles have power in some way. Leading to my next point. How did you balance this game? Can you tell me the number of possible outcomes? The probabilties of things happening at different times? Mashi may have checked it, but their twg isn't the same as ours. The people they have playing love everything to be special.
I don't see how Slow is against your game because it's history based. There was one post about it. In fact he's said what everyone else has said. TOO COMPLICATED. You say it isn't complex. Well, it's simple to follow during gameplay. Basically every game is. But again, the balance.
Well, unless you can prove me otherwise, you aren't ready to host. If you're going to be mad about it, you just won't host for a longer period of time. Once you meet the require.emts as I stated in the first post, you can host.
Not to just shoot down Drp.
Dude, I was really surprised to see you sign up to host. I mean you've played several games and I know you understand it, but you never have really shown activity. (Even though that tactic did you well.)
Quote from: master_gamer38 on September 20, 2010, 09:37:58 PMTo start, this is made from my phone, making several things hard to do. Bear with me.
It's not that it's overly complicated. It's that a complex game doesn't want to be played. I don't think you are ready to host anyways.
You said Dude stole roles, well, roles get used, and used again. His game isn't full of power roles. 9 out of your 14 roles have power in some way. Leading to my next point. How did you balance this game? Can you tell me the number of possible outcomes? The probabilties of things happening at different times? Mashi may have checked it, but their twg isn't the same as ours. The people they have playing love everything to be special.
I don't see how Slow is against your game because it's history based. There was one post about it. In fact he's said what everyone else has said. TOO COMPLICATED. You say it isn't complex. Well, it's simple to follow during gameplay. Basically every game is. But again, the balance.
Well, unless you can prove me otherwise, you aren't ready to host. If you're going to be mad about it, you just won't host for a longer period of time. Once you meet the require.emts as I stated in the first post, you can host.
Who says I am mad... there is one emotion I don't get... and that is mad/angry/furious... especially in a basically pointless, online situation... I only get mad in person!
Anyways, you're all just taking it for what is written there, and not just the lax words that really are just making conversation... I know there are "Open-Source" Roles, but to have something so similar to what I have just steals competition (and I know that happens in the business world every day). I was just cracking a joke at Slow... I really don't care whether he likes the story or not.
I know LLF's TWG isn't the same as ours, but I always like making things much more "complicated" and I am always up for a challenge.
Anyways, I really don't have "physical" proof to host, but after searching "TWG Tactics" and reading "How-tos" to Hosting a TWG on multiple sites (LLF was included), I have acquired a general knowledge to make sure the game is fair and I can analyze what happens during a game to make an effective post-game analysis (oh, how this feels like I am writing a persuasion paper... so many uncanny similarities). I feel I meet the requirements. I still did participate in the "second" game, even though there was a slight mishap (which led me to go searching this vast internet for TWG stuff).
Let's see... what else... oh, the probabilities and such... I'll get to those when I am done with my Stats HW tomorrow night... and all the reading crap I have to do (it shouldn't take that long)... I would do it now, but it is just way too late.
If there is something I forgot, lemme know :D
Quote from: master_gamer38 on September 20, 2010, 09:37:58 PMDude, I was really surprised to see you sign up to host. I mean you've played several games and I know you understand it, but you never have really shown activity. (Even though that tactic did you well.)
Well, since I'm not actually participating in the game part, I'll be more active.
It's just when everyone thinks I'm a wolf every time, it gets old for me and I start not to care.
Also, if I become host I won't pull an SFK. ::)
Quote from: drpamplemousse on September 20, 2010, 04:56:56 PMI've made some changes to my game that make it SO much less complicated... taking out the Sealbearers and eliminating a certain aspect in a role.
The Pope is just an ordinary Ballot Rigger and the Ã,me de Sol is just a reviving human... both of which are just going to be special humans with a different color attached to them and hold a special power
Nakah: Even though the Guardian that can't guard himself is a great turn off, I do have to make the game LESS human sided... he'll probably be busy guarding the seer anyways.
Dude: You kinda stole some roles, too... and other stuff in a sense!
Slow: You are just out on a vendetta against my game because it has a history based story, huh?
Everyone: You can't handle complexity one bit... I was going to show how easy it was (and I still will below)... once I draw it out, it may be easier to understand off the ORIGINAL game... the updated game just took some things away from gameplay
Night:
Wolves: Vote like normal... whatever wolves do
HRE: Send PM to host with Wolfing and the one he wants to Seer
Artisan: Sends PM to host with a single name of a person who they think is the Pope/Ã,me de Sol and a Name that they think the Pope is going to block
Seer: Sends name of person they want to Seer
Guardian: Sends name of who they want to guard
The Pope: Sends PM to host of who they want to prevent from voting, as well as three names of the three Sealbearers
Ã,me de Sol: Sends PM to host with three names of potential Sealbearers
Day:
Everyone: normal suspicions and stuff... as well as voting
Ã,me de Sol: When someone dies, they can revive them during this phase
It's fairly simple... I have no idea why everyone's confused
its not that its complicated to read its just that thee is way too much going on. also the guardian will be very hesitent to come out if he cant guard himself therefore he wont be guarding the seer. i dont mind you hosting because it seems like you care and want to make a good slid game. i just think if we took out more special roles and took the restrictions off we would be fine
What if he's in the hopsital? :P
Let's not flame him until he gets back!! ;D
Edit: By that, I mean if it turns out that he isn't mortally injured.
Quote from: drpamplemousse on September 20, 2010, 04:56:56 PMSlow: You are just out on a vendetta against my game because it has a history based story, huh?
Now you're making me a bit mad. I don't hate your game--and if I did, that would be no reason to hate it. You should realize that I'm not immature enough to do that; I was just irritated at my history teacher when I wrote that.
I'd be absolutely willing to play it if we got enough players. Please, don't take everything so personal!
I bet many people would turn down your game just because the post was too long and they didn't read. Dude hasn't been picked as host yet!
Plus, I thought you would have known that I'm not the type of person who holds vendettas or whatever.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 21, 2010, 01:56:21 PMNow you're making me a bit mad. I don't hate your game--and if I did, that would be no reason to hate it. You should realize that I'm not immature enough to do that; I was just irritated at my history teacher when I wrote that.
I'd be absolutely willing to play it if we got enough players. Please, don't take everything so personal!
I bet many people would turn down your game just because the post was too long and they didn't read. Dude hasn't been picked as host yet!
Plus, I thought you would have known that I'm not the type of person who holds vendettas or whatever.
I ALREADY knew you don't hold gruges/vendettas, what have you... it was just a small pun or something... i don't know... im not taking an english class (because it would be Snooze/Yawnfest 2010)... Well, we shall see what happens here.
Quote from: askalice23 on September 21, 2010, 08:50:26 AMits not that its complicated to read its just that thee is way too much going on. also the guardian will be very hesitent to come out if he cant guard himself therefore he wont be guarding the seer. i dont mind you hosting because it seems like you care and want to make a good slid game. i just think if we took out more special roles and took the restrictions off we would be fine
Ok, so I will release the restriction (since more than one person called for it)... and I will probably remove the Fleur-de-Lis... it really doesn't matter since the odds of picking it is pretty slim. I REALLY want to leave the Orange and Purple in the game, because they are a driving force in the game. I am also contemplating on bringing back the Sealbearer story, or is that just making it wayyyyyyyy to complicated again?
Quote from: drpamplemousse on September 20, 2010, 11:30:17 PMWho says I am mad... there is one emotion I don't get... and that is mad/angry/furious... especially in a basically pointless, online situation... I only get mad in person!
I never said you were mad, I said don't get mad. Difference.
Quote from: drpamplemousse on September 20, 2010, 11:30:17 PMAnyways, you're all just taking it for what is written there, and not just the lax words that really are just making conversation... I know there are "Open-Source" Roles, but to have something so similar to what I have just steals competition (and I know that happens in the business world every day). I was just cracking a joke at Slow... I really don't care whether he likes the story or not.
No one took it as a joke. There is a time to be serious, and a time for fun. You're confusing them.
Quote from: drpamplemousse on September 20, 2010, 11:30:17 PMI know LLF's TWG isn't the same as ours, but I always like making things much more "complicated" and I am always up for a challenge.
As a way to look at this, you can't run until you learn to walk first.
Quote from: drpamplemousse on September 20, 2010, 11:30:17 PMAnyways, I really don't have "physical" proof to host, but after searching "TWG Tactics" and reading "How-tos" to Hosting a TWG on multiple sites (LLF was included), I have acquired a general knowledge to make sure the game is fair and I can analyze what happens during a game to make an effective post-game analysis (oh, how this feels like I am writing a persuasion paper... so many uncanny similarities). I feel I meet the requirements. I still did participate in the "second" game, even though there was a slight mishap (which led me to go searching this vast internet for TWG stuff).
That wasn't really a slight mishap. That was you completely breaking a rule, which showed you hadn't read them.
But I'm not seeing proof that you can analyze or that you have an EXPERIENCED knowledge.
Quote from: drpamplemousse on September 20, 2010, 11:30:17 PMLet's see... what else... oh, the probabilities and such... I'll get to those when I am done with my Stats HW tomorrow night... and all the reading crap I have to do (it shouldn't take that long)... I would do it now, but it is just way too late.
If you prefer to PM them to me do that, because it will be large and long. Splitting the PM in two might even be necessary.
Quote from: drpamplemousse on September 21, 2010, 02:23:56 PMOk, so I will release the restriction (since more than one person called for it)... and I will probably remove the Fleur-de-Lis... it really doesn't matter since the odds of picking it is pretty slim. I REALLY want to leave the Orange and Purple in the game, because they are a driving force in the game. I am also contemplating on bringing back the Sealbearer story, or is that just making it wayyyyyyyy to complicated again?
They are a driving force for those two people. If one ends up as human, he/she may just become inactive. That's because there is so much going on, and they can't be part of it. Yes, if they die then they come back on the human side again. But, PM the stuff, and we'll continue this topic then.
Now this may seem like I'm about to contradict myself, but I'd like to have a quick informal poll. How many people would be interested in playing an Item game? I've begun to look at constructing one, not for this game, and probably not for the next, but for sometime in the future. If there is no interest, I'd like to know now so I don't waste my time.
ITEM GAME? MEMEMMEMEMEMMEMEMEMEMME.
Also, I just wanted to say, LLF isn't all about Complex Games. Sure we have one from time to time, but most of our more experienced players prefer simple games, or games running simple mechanics (Such as axemblue4's game right now, it's based on Reviving). Though, if I recall correctly, there was a period of time where we got bored of Simple Games, but that was solved (For the most part) after a forum TWG Break.
Also, I just wanted to get this off my chest since I feel a bit guilty about catalyzing this forum by bringing up these different games, so I would just like to apologize to people such as Nakah if I did indeed alter their plans for here.
Not at all, you've done nothing but contributed positively to this forum's growth. I'm grateful for all of the advice and input you've provided. I just remember LLF for being item game focused at one point, and assumed that was it's current state, so for that I apologize.
Quote from: master_gamer38 on September 21, 2010, 03:21:00 PMAs a way to look at this, you can't run until you learn to walk first.
That wasn't really a slight mishap. That was you completely breaking a rule, which showed you hadn't read them.
But I'm not seeing proof that you can analyze or that you have an EXPERIENCED knowledge.
If you prefer to PM them to me do that, because it will be large and long. Splitting the PM in two might even be necessary.
They are a driving force for those two people. If one ends up as human, he/she may just become inactive. That's because there is so much going on, and they can't be part of it. Yes, if they die then they come back on the human side again. But, PM the stuff, and we'll continue this topic then.
Quick Anecdote: I ran before I could walk!
About the Rule thingy: I read the rules... just never "enforced them myself" and I could just have had a momentary lapse of judgement and kinda tried to rectify it... but that is neither here nor there... it's over and should be erased from everyone's short-term memory since it kinda is like having jail time on my record and I am trying to apply for a job.
I could give an analysis of this past TWG game if you want... even though there wasn't much to work with because of all the issues and such going on... things changed during that hiatus and really couldn't be analyzed in complete detail like how Nakah did (though if I do some light reading, I could do an analysis from the game that I actually did well in!)
I'll PM you my probabilities later (probably during my boring Psych lecture)... any specifics you want me to cover. I will probably work with wolves and the effects therein... and since the F-d-L is "au revoir", there aren't really many probabilites to work with (except for chances for a wolfing)
Blowing off your psychology lecture to focus on proving why you should be allowed to host TWG.
Irony.
i dont see why we have to make this a fight....
mg: Let him host. Ok he screwed up before, that doesnt mean he didnt learn. If he has a good game and WE vote for it then let him
drp: Just because you have went over things with Mashi dosnt mean we want to play the game. Is it balanced... maybe but the thing is that you have to think about is.. is this a game that people want to play.
so stop argueing... mg if you have a better game post it and we will vote on it. drp your game seems decent but not everyone may want to play it. try posting one or two games.
TWG hosting flame wars!! :D
Hah. Sure, there are requirements for becoming a TWG host, but there should be a test or something.
Maybe during the TWG, the person planning to become host would send a private message every day at the same time?
Then, at the end, they would point out who they would give the MVP award to and why?
Would this work?
Of course, either MG or Nakah would say if his explanation was good enough.
The person he sent the pm's to could make sure the times of the messages were about the same.
Could this kind of test work out?
Do you even have any idea what you're talking about? :-\
Quote from: askalice23 on September 23, 2010, 08:34:07 AMi dont see why we have to make this a fight....
mg: Let him host. Ok he screwed up before, that doesnt mean he didnt learn. If he has a good game and WE vote for it then let him
drp: Just because you have went over things with Mashi dosnt mean we want to play the game. Is it balanced... maybe but the thing is that you have to think about is.. is this a game that people want to play.
so stop argueing... mg if you have a better game post it and we will vote on it. drp your game seems decent but not everyone may want to play it. try posting one or two games.
I don't want to have someone not ready to host be a host. Look at what happened with SFK's game. It'd still be night two. I'm taking a stand to make sure things don't go awry again. Does it seem like I'm being kinda a jerk about it? Probably, but I'd rather have good games going here.
I'm not posting a game because I'm not going to be taking part in the next game. I'm working on an item game like I said before. I also have AP classes in school to worry about and a new private lessons teacher that will be overworking me. I'm not going to sign up to host, because I won't have the time to do it.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on September 23, 2010, 12:48:46 PMHah. Sure, there are requirements for becoming a TWG host, but there should be a test or something.
Maybe during the TWG, the person planning to become host would send a private message every day at the same time?
Then, at the end, they would point out who they would give the MVP award to and why?
Would this work?
Of course, either MG or Nakah would say if his explanation was good enough.
The person he sent the pm's to could make sure the times of the messages were about the same.
Could this kind of test work out?
Well, sending a PM each day would basically be equivalent to actually participating in game by the topic or chat, both of which I watch. Then the MVP award can all be argued different ways. Being able to do well in the game shows quite a bit more than that.
Not to mention it would be entirely unnecessary to act as a mock-host by sending pms and choosing your own biased MVP. It also would not affect my opinion as to whether that person is ready to host or not.
There's a few things that need to get sorted out first before drp could ever hope to host this game.
First of all, how many times can the Ame de Sol revive a player? If it's as much as they please, then you'd better make it a 50% odds of succeeding or failing the revive, that way we don't have everyone killed just coming back as a green.
Next, take out the artisan, I don't understand what he's hoping to accomplish.
Quick note: I don't think the Pope's 1 man vote-block is going to save many people in most instances, and even if it does, that may screw a team and just piss everyone off because the Pope is most likely going to make a dumbass move. You may want to re-consider the Pope's purpose in the game.
So we have a Wolf Shaman(seer) and a regular Wolf. That's all dandy, but the Ame de Sol is going to put the game in human-favor when more players keep getting knocked off. I think that if the Ame de Sol fails in reviving the designated player, then the player is revived as another regular Wolf(This makes the revive a risk each time the Ame de Sol attempts to make an action, thus preventing the game from becoming too one-sided). Of course, the color in which the player is revived should be kept anonymous, and only his return to the game should be announced(but hey, humans have a seer to help them out anyways if he survives).
So in conclusion: The game will pretty much have my okay if it's fixed in said ways.
No artisan.
Ame de Sol: 50% chance of successfully reviving designated player as green, if failure to revive as green, player is revived as red.
Pope: Perhaps the ability to grant immunity of being lynched to one player?(I.E. Pope sends PM to host during the night phase choosing a player to be secretly protected from a lynching the next day). There's more room for improvisation on this role, just make his impact a bit more direct.
I'm fine with DRP hosting, because he's obsessed with providing a story and game full of detail, so his dedication level is high enough to maintain a game. I just want to make sure the game itself isn't going to collapse due to some over-anxious ideas in the host signup thread. Fix the game in it's respective areas, and then we can consider it for the next TWG.
Quote from: Nakah on September 23, 2010, 07:24:47 PMNot to mention it would be entirely unnecessary to act as a mock-host by sending pms and choosing your own biased MVP. It also would not affect my opinion as to whether that person is ready to host or not.
There's a few things that need to get sorted out first before drp could ever hope to host this game.
First of all, how many times can the Ame de Sol revive a player? If it's as much as they please, then you'd better make it a 50% odds of succeeding or failing the revive, that way we don't have everyone killed just coming back as a green.
Next, take out the artisan, I don't understand what he's hoping to accomplish.
Quick note: I don't think the Pope's 1 man vote-block is going to save many people in most instances, and even if it does, that may screw a team and just piss everyone off because the Pope is most likely going to make a dumbass move. You may want to re-consider the Pope's purpose in the game.
So we have a Wolf Shaman(seer) and a regular Wolf. That's all dandy, but the Ame de Sol is going to put the game in human-favor when more players keep getting knocked off. I think that if the Ame de Sol fails in reviving the designated player, then the player is revived as another regular Wolf(This makes the revive a risk each time the Ame de Sol attempts to make an action, thus preventing the game from becoming too one-sided). Of course, the color in which the player is revived should be kept anonymous, and only his return to the game should be announced(but hey, humans have a seer to help them out anyways if he survives).
So in conclusion: The game will pretty much have my okay if it's fixed in said ways.
No artisan.
Ame de Sol: 50% chance of successfully reviving designated player as green, if failure to revive as green, player is revived as red.
Pope: Perhaps the ability to grant immunity of being lynched to one player?(I.E. Pope sends PM to host during the night phase choosing a player to be secretly protected from a lynching the next day). There's more room for improvisation on this role, just make his impact a bit more direct.
I'm fine with DRP hosting, because he's obsessed with providing a story and game full of detail, so his dedication level is high enough to maintain a game. I just want to make sure the game itself isn't going to collapse due to some over-anxious ideas in the host signup thread. Fix the game in it's respective areas, and then we can consider it for the next TWG.
I like the Pope idea... and l'Ã,me de Sol Idea, too... Fantastish! I will rename the Seer L'Artisien, to keep up with the story! I just wanted to leave the Orange and Purple in the game... otherwise it would be just a bit "normal"
I am Double Posting and Re-posting my game hopefully as it is in final state!
TWG XI â€" Beyond Azincourt
In the midst of the 100 Years War, the French were trying to expel the English from Mainland Europe, taking the English possessions of Aquitaine and making the Duke of Burgundy (who was sided with the British) join the fledgling French state. The Battle of Azincourt was a decisive battle that shaped the next 38 years for paving the path to French Victory (as Azincourt was the final English victory). Anyways, the French decided to lead a secret seige on a fortification that the English built, located around the City of Rouen. The French forces held on the opposite side on a hill top away from Rouen. Nightly, the English forces sneak into the French camps and captured and killed people of the French forces. After yelling “Quel Outrage“, the French decided to prepare themselves, using special units of their forces. The French also held daily lynchings of their own personnel for the hiding traitors. Will the siege on Rouen be a success, or will the English wipe the French forces from existence.
Roles:
Duke of Burgundy - The Master Wolf. They are Seer’d Green until a certain event. The Duke of Burgundy is French in body, but English in thought.
King of England - The Wolf with a vengeance. When lynched, they can bring someone down with them, unless they have a special power
Holy Roman Emperor - sharing the same religion with France has it’s perks. They can Seer a player each night.
The Pope - Seeing an unjust war causes problems for Catholicism. The Pope uses his "infallible" teachings to see who should stay alive. They send a PM to the host nightly with a name and they will be prevented from lynching for the next day
L'Artisien - The Seer for the French army. If the The Pope picks L'Artisien, can now see true seering results (the Duke of Burgundy is Seer’d Red). They can send a single name to the host of who they want to Seer.
Duke of Anjou - The Guardian of the French Military. He can guard a person for as long as his services are needed. The Duke of Anjou can guard himself
Fleur-de-Lis - The symbol of the French Monarchy, the Fleur-de-Lis will not die if the King of England is executed and is chosen. They will be Seer’d Orange until an event happens.
Frenchman
Frenchman
Frenchman
Frenchman
Frenchman
Ã,me de Sol - When a Player is lynched during the Day phase; the Ã,me de Sol can revive said lynched player (with a 50% chance of them coming back as a Green, otherwise they will join the wolf side of things as a red), and after reviving the player, they become an ordinary human, but still Seer'd Purple. L'Ã,me de Sol CANNOT be wolfed.
Winning Conditions:
Frenchmen - Eliminate the English
The English Rulers - Become 1:1 with the Frenchmen
The Special Frenchmen - See Frenchmen
The Pope and Ã,me de Sol - They win with the French
I will be happy to answer any questions you might have, or clarifications on the roles
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 23, 2010, 03:29:11 PMDo you even have any idea what you're talking about? :-\
Hah, good old SlowPokemon not understanding my complex word choice. ;)
Finally, we are strarting to agree to something;
However, Nakah, I think drp meant that the Ame de sol could only revive
one person.
Although the new idea sounds pretty cool, too!
Wait, actually I think I'm getting confused.
Let me guess how this would work: Only
one person is revived, either becoming a wolf or human?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
If we do drp's game this time, TWG XII has to be a simple one.
If we do complex ones every time, we're going to become LLF-ish.
So, drp's game this time and simple one next time.
Beyond Azincourt... (or however it's spelled...)
$10 says Juber didn't even notice mine. Anyone wanna take that bet?
Oh, I noticed it, I just forgot it about it.
I read every single post in the threads except for the ones with over 100 pages.
Well, at least the ones that I am planning to post in.
I want to try one complex game for this TWG, then a simple one for TWG XII.
I'll use that 10 dollars to buy Finale Notepad '11, please.
Quote from: Dude on September 23, 2010, 09:31:26 PM$10 says Juber didn't even notice mine. Anyone wanna take that bet?
If I had ten bucks, totally.
He's irritating me a bit.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on September 23, 2010, 07:54:10 PMHah, good old SlowPokemon not understanding my complex word choice. ;)
^What? Since when is that typical? I pride myself on being far smarter than him. :P But that's just a horribly big ego.
You are probably smarter than me....
But you occasionally don't understand my wording when I don't space things out.
I suppose it's my fault...
Did you not notice me mentioning that I did notice his post? :P
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 24, 2010, 04:26:38 AMBut that's just a horribly big ego.
Bigger than Napoleon's?
Quote from: Jub3r7 on September 24, 2010, 08:02:44 AMYou are probably smarter than me....
But you occasionally don't understand my wording when I don't space things out.
I suppose it's my fault...
Did you not notice me mentioning that I did notice his post? :P
He is pretty smart... he's a sophomore in HS, something a 14 year-old doesn't experience often
Aww, I'm flattered, really.
Sorry BigSig, I'm being pretty horrible to you, huh?
I hope you know most of it's in jest. ;)
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.ffya.org%2Fsrc%2Ftweakingstew-2.gif&hash=d258d7fd0e19854999d7df77f5f9829c0fe275b6)
This is what I think of all of you.
If anything, I'm one of the most sane people here.
No, I'm quite sure Nakah is right on the mark, hehe.
How am I insane?
We're all insane.
"We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
Is anyone else going to post anything??? Is it just going to be a choice between dude's and my game??
Crazy people don't realize they're crazy.
Then how would I be able to hide it?
Ok, let's get voting underway!
Seriously, I'm getting tired of waiting.
I have no real preference, so I'm letting random.org do the job for me.
Alright, random.org picked DUDE.
Quote from: Dude on September 25, 2010, 02:18:36 PMOk, let's get voting underway!
Seriously, I'm getting tired of waiting.
SAME!
Well, we all know my vote!!!
I vote for DP's Game!
Allez la France!!! Tuez l'anglais!!
Quote from: drpamplemousse on September 25, 2010, 02:37:00 PMWell, we all know my vote!!!
I don't think you can vote because you're a possible host.
Well If I can vote while not being a possible host, I pick Dude. But that's only if you need my vote, I kinda want to participate in the next round anyways.
Quote from: winterkid09 on September 25, 2010, 03:26:28 PMWell If I can vote while not being a possible host, I pick Dude. But that's only if you need my vote, I kinda want to participate in the next round anyways.
You're the one who can!!! And you know... more chapters of a certain story can pop up if certain conditions are met! haha
Our votes go automatically to our games
In News stories: Dude has 2 votes (slow and winterkid) and I have two votes (SuperRiolu and BigSig)... let's see what AskAlice and Nakah decide (and Mashi, too)
Don't take it personally, I have no opinion at this point! xD
I really did go to random.org.
1 would be DP, 2 would be Dude.
2 came up, so here we are. :P
I'm not taking it personally... I'm just stating the facts (which you do sometimes in TWG games with who would be next and stuff). I am not accepting/condemning your actions... you just don't know which one to pick since it is either too boring/too complex/or like the 2008 presidential election where neither of the candidates were great
I say a game needs to pass with a minimum of 4 votes or a 2 vote lead from the other game (unless a long time passes)
I like Dude's game, but drp's is pretty good too.
Dude, I have a question before I officially vote for you... can you be sure that you can end the phases within an hour of their deadline? Or at least within a day? xD
No more SFK fiascoes, and I was pretty ticked with Concerto's host performance as well...
I didn't even play in the last round, and I can say that just reading through it irritated me because of th "Days" not being ended on time. And I may reconsider my vote, I like Dude's, (and I should be honest) It would be my first TWG, and i was looking for a relatively easy one I could delve into, but after skimming previous TWG's I noticed that the most exciting part was the storyline, and that is why drp's is more attractive.
As much as I am for Dude hosting as I am DRP, I can say that DRP will probably have the deadlines met pretty accurately each phase considering his enthusiasm with his game thus far. Vote as you will, though. I'm not going to take part in this next one.
To speed things up, and what I should have done probably about a week ago:
Voting ends Sunday @ 6:00p.m. EST. The member with the most votes by that time will be permitted to host the next TWG.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 25, 2010, 04:08:48 PMDude, I have a question before I officially vote for you... can you be sure that you can end the phases within an hour of their deadline? Or at least within a day? xD
No more SFK fiascoes, and I was pretty ticked with Concerto's host performance as well...
Yeah, I'll be sure to enforce that rule. I'll try to make each phase end at 7:00 PM whether it's day or night. I'll give 1 calendar day for Night phases and 2 calendar days for Day phases.
Sound good?
haven't they always done 12 hours for day, and 12 for night?
Well day phases usually take more time, right? Let's say someone was busy one day and couldn't get on the computer for some unknown reason, but had the next day off, then the person would still have another day to talk about it and vote.
just feels like it would take too long, but it sure would be thorough
Yup, anything sounds good! I believe you'll be prompt about it!
Quote from: Nakah on September 25, 2010, 06:04:04 PMAs much as I am for Dude hosting as I am DRP, I can say that DRP will probably have the deadlines met pretty accurately each phase considering his enthusiasm with his game thus far. Vote as you will, though. I'm not going to take part in this next one.
You got that right!
My deadlines will be pretty accurate! I won't have an exam for another three weeks, so I'm good in that aspect! If you haven't seen me in person, I am the one who is always 15 minutes early to something and being 10 minutes early is "right on time" and arriving at the time specified is "just a little late" for me!
im gonna have to go with drp on pretty much this reason alone... he is active... sfk was about as active as dude and well looks at sfks game
Quote from: askalice23 on September 25, 2010, 10:18:18 PMim gonna have to go with drp on pretty much this reason alone... he is active... sfk was about as active as dude and well looks at sfks game
A. Bullshit.
Quote from: The fucking stats page thingDude 19d 14h 37m
B. The only reason I was inactive was to make you non-wolves think I was a human that
didn't give a fuck. If I'm going to host, I'd actually do something because I know because I'm not playing, I won't get ticked off by some of you guys and give up. I do that a lot. I won't give up on being host. If I do, you can hate me forever.
I'd like to point out that being on time, as in right when the phase ends is pretty much impossible. Writing stories takes time.
Quote from: Dude on September 25, 2010, 10:58:49 PMA. Bullshit. B. The only reason I was inactive was to make you non-wolves think I was a human that didn't give a fuck. If I'm going to host, I'd actually do something because I know because I'm not playing, I won't get ticked off by some of you guys and give up. I do that a lot. I won't give up on being host. If I do, you can hate me forever.
Well, let's see here...
Dude: Joined February 22, 2008...Time: 19d 14h 37m
DP: Joined June 27, 2010... Time: 11d 21h 11m
Who REALLY is the active one here? (just pointing out the facts)
Also, I began to go sleuthing the TWG archives in the games to see how active Dude was... and I found, besides on being fairly active in like 2 games, the rest have him wolfed/lynched early or just see him just not doing anything...
Hmm... what else... Dude is the silent player, though... so... we shall see what happens
My total time logged in is twelve days, one hour and fifty five minutes. Yeah I joined February 22nd 2008. But It doesn't mean that I don't check the site. Half the time I check it I don't bother to log in. It's just faster. Plus, I don't post very often so that when I do check, I only get 15 minutes of time logged in. I know Dude is online quite often, I have IRC logs that show it.
So, quit arguing over being 'on-time.' I'm positive that both of you could have the update within a day or less.
Quote from: winterkid09 on September 25, 2010, 06:41:02 PMhaven't they always done 12 hours for day, and 12 for night?
I've always done 48 for day, and 24 for night. It just works out well.
Yes let's just get this over with. I say we let one host this time and the other host next. DrP, you've been wanting to host for a long time, very patiently, and all of a sudden Dude comes out with a game. I can understand your frustration, but let's not get into a flame war.
I don't like jumpy voting at the best of times, plus I already decided, so my vote is still DUDE.
I believe that both of them will be prompt, BOTH OF THEM. Although Dude is relatively inactive WHILE IN THE GAME, I think he'll do fine hosting.
I also vote we let drpamplemousse host next time.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 26, 2010, 09:16:02 AMI also vote we let drpamplemousse host next time.
This.
Also, I'm almost always on the chat too. So even if I'm not on the forums, chances are I'm in the chatroom.
Vote count is:
DRP: 3
Dude: 3
If you didn't bold your vote, it doesn't count.
Hmm, if there are no more votes before 6, we'll have... a knife in the box.
i just feel lik we shouldnt risk it... dude im sorry but that excuse of trying to make us think you didnt give a fuck was bs... all the games ive played in with you, you havent contributed anything.... i go with drp and you can thank sfk for that because normally i wouldnt care but last game sucked so bad that im being cautious in my voting.
Are you fucking serious? The only reason I wasn't active was because you guys kept killing me even though I was a human for no good reason.
That's why I was pissed at you guys and started not to care. How stupid are you?
I'm almost ready to give up now because of you fucking trolls.
Also, I'm assuming you're trying to piss me off, because you are doing a very, very good job.
Just restating a fact, but
Quote from: master_gamer38 on September 26, 2010, 07:31:16 AMI know Dude is online quite often, I have IRC logs that show it.
Do you doubt the word of a TWG admin?! :o
Well, just saying, both candidates have good qualities.
However, drp's is a
little complex;
dude's seems a
little boring... But has the right simplicity.
Since it seems Nakah and MG aren't going to vote, it's up to Mashi for the tie breaker!!!
I'm not sure how I should respond to that Jub3r7. So safety on Master_Gamer38.
XD Mashi, he's' not even planning to host this game.
he means he doesn't want to take part in it
Quote from: Mashi on September 26, 2010, 11:35:48 AMI'm not sure how I should respond to that Jub3r7. So safety on Master_Gamer38.
Seriously? Vote for real or not at all.
Change vote to DRPAMPLEMOUSSE.
Quote from: Dude on September 26, 2010, 11:04:32 AMAre you fucking serious? The only reason I wasn't active was because you guys kept killing me even though I was a human for no good reason.
That's why I was pissed at you guys and started not to care. How stupid are you?
I'm almost ready to give up now because of you fucking trolls.
Also, I'm assuming you're trying to piss me off, because you are doing a very, very good job.
why dont you calm the fuck down... its hosting there will be plenty of other oppurtunities... when drp didnt host last time he didnt piss and moan like a little bitch he made his game better... so now my vote is going to be based on the fact youre immature and youre going to throw a tantrum just cause your not hosting... in all honesty your really not that good... and you fool us when you dont participate because well you dont play when your human... and most of the reason behind of a 1st night lynching is because we dont want someone who wont help the humans win around... so if we look at your past games you do very little
Fuck this.
Have your fucking game. I want no part in this.
Actually, one question before I go.
Askalice, why are you even here? You don't do anything. All I've seen you do is be active in this board and nothing else.
You make me sick.
You're making me sick, crybaby.
Its a game people, let it go.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 26, 2010, 03:44:22 PMYou're making me sick, crybaby.
Wow, thanks for bring my disability into this, retard.
Quote from: Dude on September 26, 2010, 03:39:52 PMActually, one question before I go.
Askalice, why are you even here? You don't do anything. All I've seen you do is be active in this board and nothing else.
You make me sick.
im here to play twg.. nakah introduced me to it on this forum so this is where i play
Quote from: Dude on September 26, 2010, 03:45:44 PMWow, thanks for bring my disability into this, retard.
and whining about disabilities and you use retard... hmmm a bit odd... and im actually glad your not playing because well your about as useful as a fucking rock... i cant believe you acted like this all over hosting a game that happens about every 2 or 3 weeks... you could have had a shot nect time around... but one things for sure you will never get a vote to host from me... youre an immaturespoiled cry baby... way to act like your 12
Nakah: Askalice is trolling.
why cant you drop this... you are really such a baby... we didnt vote for your game.. im sorry that i like drps game better and i think he would be a etter host... it isnt like i attacked your game saying it sucked... all i said was that i was cautious in voting due to last game.... damn try again next host sign ups.. and if youd like me to be active on the other topics i will... i just dont really see a need for my input so i do not post... i read the other topics but i tend to not post on anything except this one
and to everyone else that had to read that im sorry its a huge block of text in a bit of a hurry
Quote from: askalice23 on September 26, 2010, 04:19:57 PMand to everyone else that had to read that im sorry its a huge block of text in a bit of a hurry
Better than reading one stupid and unhelpful sentence.
askalice. He's not angry because he doesn't get to host;
he's angry because even after MG gave proof of his activity, you say he isn't active;
and also you say he isn't active even though he is lynched/wolfed early in the game.
From what I've seen, he is definitely more active in games where he is human, so it's not complete bs.
Everything you have said, askalice, has been responded to with reasonable defenses, yet you continue to ignore them.
Slow: Don't get involved in flame wars. (crap, I just did it too...)
Dude: Never, ever take to heart what "flamers" or "trollers" say.
If you do, you'll turn emo and start cutting yourself in a corner.
*cough* I wasn't emo. Emo people cut themselves, I hit myself! XD
That's how it used to be when I was slightly depressed. Whatever you do, don't fall into that stage. It sucks.
Hugo: Follow his advice: Its a game people, let it go.
Jub3r7: Shut up. Your not helping.
Nakah: Hurry up and end this flame war!
Oh yeah, one more thing towards askalice34:
KF is the only one allowed to flame on this forum!!!! >:(
(oops, three new replies were posted, this should go before those three.)
Edit: After reading those posts, I came up with a question for slow.
Was that a reference to me? T_T
No, it was a reference to Dude. And he's upset because he can't host.
Also, his name is askalice23, lol
This is out of control.
Quote from: askalice23 on September 26, 2010, 04:19:57 PMwhy cant you drop this... you are really such a baby... we didnt vote for your game.. im sorry that i like drps game better and i think he would be a etter host... it isnt like i attacked your game saying it sucked... all i said was that i was cautious in voting due to last game.... damn try again next host sign ups.. and if youd like me to be active on the other topics i will... i just dont really see a need for my input so i do not post... i read the other topics but i tend to not post on anything except this one
Hey, stop being a douche. You need to learn to shut up, honestly. Name-calling doesn't make any of you look better, btw. Especially the term, "crybaby." ...seriously?
Quote from: HugoMeister on September 26, 2010, 03:45:22 PMIts a game people, let it go.
I love you for this. Seriously. <3 It's a game, people. Why bring personal emotions into this? Why get mad over something worthless?
Also, Hugo, if you still have that game idea from before in store somewhere, you should totally post it again. I'd play in it.
Drp- In all honesty, your game is way too complicated. Plus, you're one of the newest members here, so I don't know if you really should be hosting a game just yet. I'm not trying to discourage you at all, I just don't want a game to flop. :-\ Just saying.
And if I should have to bring this up... you did get banned 2 games ago. :P
Slow- You seem to be the one retaliating the most in this. It's just a game, I'm sure you have worse things to be worrying about. You're better than this.
Jub3r- You're also very new. No offense, but your voice doesn't get counted too much. Also, Dude is not angry about either of those things. He just wants the trolling from Slow and askalice to stop. And it should.
Also, we shouldn't have to be afraid of questioning a mod if we're right AND if Kefka's not in this, then leave him out of it. Seriously.
Finally, my last thoughts. It's a game. No prize is coming out of it anytime soon (unless Nakah is willing to do so, somehow). So stop getting mad over nothing.
Universe-X: out.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 26, 2010, 04:37:35 PMAnd he's upset because he can't host.
No, I'm upset because you're treating me like shit.
Quote from: Nakah on September 24, 2010, 08:10:03 PM(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.ffya.org%2Fsrc%2Ftweakingstew-2.gif&hash=d258d7fd0e19854999d7df77f5f9829c0fe275b6)
This is what I think of all of you.
Alright, enough, all of you.
All of you are acting immature, TWG is a game, this is the last thing people should ever worry about. How do any of you expect your TWG Community to grow if you're all bickering and complaining? If you lose for the Hosting Ballot, whining won't do anything; be proud of who's Host, he/she is part of your community after all. How will this hurt you if one of your friends or acquaintances gets to host? What's wrong with that person seeing TWG in a new perspective? If you lose, you're going to be able to play another fun TWG. What's bad about that? And while you're playing if you choose to do so, you can create another TWG, improve your old one, improve as a player as well as many other things. Do any of you truly believe that being delayed in hosting your game will have a negative effect onto you or your game?
At LLF, I've tried to host two or three times. I've been playing TWG for maybe one and a half through two years now. How many times have I ever been Host then anyways? Zero. Although I've always wanted to host, the thrill of creating a game, mixing ideas, and viewing it when it's done is already accomplishment enough.
Hosting is a chore for the most part, to any of your dismay. There's not much fun about it in the first place. Does it allow players to see TWG in a new perspective? Yes, every first time Host I've seen has said something along the lines of that. Did they ever freak out if they lost? No, of course not. We've had 12 year olds who were patient enough to lose up to 6 Hosting Ballots and not complain.
Losing to someone does not make your game inferior to theirs. At LLF, during the era of our Complex Games, we had quite a few and then got bored of TWG. We weren't exactly bored of TWG though, it was most likely that we were bored of Complex Games. Had we created a Simpler Game at the time (Which many of our more experienced players recommended), we probably would have easily continued to have fun.
So Dude, we've had relatively simple games so far and now drpamplemousse posts a more complex game into the batch. Just because people seem to prefer your game doesn't mean you should be jealous. Or just because people think you won't be inactive doesn't mean you should be annoyed; inactivity as a Wolf is something shunned upon in many TWG communities.
Drpamplemousse, just because Dude posts a game doesn't mean you should be acting jumpy and accusingly. Just because you feel like you can Host doesn't mean you should go against more experienced players judgement. Things such as that are also shunned upon.
Of course, the both of you aren't the only ones overreacting, everyone here who has been attacking others and influencing negativity is being directed at.
Also, I think I've been seeing some sort of revolt against the more experienced player's best wishes, namely Master_Gamer38 and Nakah. In my honest opinion, I think it would have been much better if these two both hosted for a while before anyone inexperienced.
They know what they're doing. How about some of you try listening to them?
Oh, by the way, nearly all of you completely failed the Sportsmanship Category.
Now, everyone apologize and move on.
You guys are dumbasses for considering DRP's game over Dude's just because of his inactivity as a player. Hosting and Playing are two very different ball fields, and in my experience I have always seen the best of hosts come out of players who take a 'laid-back' stance towards the game. The rest of you are being eager and presumptuous as fuck.
Will: You had no reason to attack Dude about his hosting abilities out of contrast with his playing performance. Like I said, I've seen the better of hosts come from those who don't really want to play the actual game as much.
A note to everyone: HUMANS TEND TO BE LESS ACTIVE THAN OTHER PLAYERS. For obvious reasons. Sure, an inactive player is never good, but in the human's case such inactivity is always more abundant. If you're going to point out Dude, then you'd better point out a lot of others along with him.
Really, I should ban anyone who targeted Dude about his activity in relation to hosting. It's complete idiocy, and flaming is against the forum rules.
Look at this thread, it's been three weeks nearly since the last failure of a TWG, and you guys have come to no resolution. MG and I have had to walk you guys through this whole thread, to the point where I had to set a deadline for the goddamn decision. That shouldn't be how it works, and in the past at other sites I have played on, everyone came to a mutual agreement about who they wanted to host. If some didn't agree with the majority for who they wanted to host their next game, they didn't complain and begin throwing flame wars over it.
I've seriously had enough of this from you guys. You're proving incapable of being rational and mature enough to settle your own arguments in an adult manner. In other words, you're acting like goddamn 14 year olds who throw tantrums over losing their WoW accounts and getting their gamecubes taken away. Mind that this isn't directed at all of you, and those of you who didn't contribute to this failed host thread know who you are. There's going to be serious structure and order brought to this TWG forum within the upcoming week, and I'm going to ensure that a system is put in place that doesn't let this shit go unchecked. Expect to see some new TWG formatting very soon.
Dude is entitled to hosting with the same credibility as DRP, without regard to either of their game performances. Askalice shouldn't use one to critique the other. That's the end of it.
The vote was cast by slowpokemon for drp to host, so by this valid reason drp received the right to host the next game, but due to the failure of this thread and people's incapability to take the game more lightly and settle things peacefully, I'm going to cast a final vote now on Dude, granting him the equal opportunity of hosting through a KitB(If he still wishes to host, in light of this whole troll war). This thread really shows that many of you aren't able to run things peacefully on your own.
Holy shit, 9 replies made while I was typing that up, and still nothing was resolved.
This thread is locked until I decide what happens with this game.
With the implementation of TWC, I'll open this back up. I'm going to force my vote on Dude to count, due to the whole lack of respect for other members that occurred on the previous pages, and so I'm granting host to the winner of this KitB.
1= Drp's game
2= Dude's game
The number generated by random.org was: 1
So drp, you're up for hosting this game. Since both MG, Mashi, and I already reviewed and fixed your game, you already have TWC member approval. I'll open up Signups for your game and you can take it from there.
Hopefully Host Signup threads never have to go like this again guys. With TWC filtering every member wishing to host, only balanced games should be entering the host signup threads. From now on, majority votes will decide who hosts.