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Title: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on September 19, 2015, 09:11:51 PM
The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64

The "Fixing the Sheets" Project is an organized effort brought to you by the NSM community to bring each and every sheet of music on NinSheetMusic up to the current standard. Some of the target sheets were submitted before any quality standard was required. As a result, some of those sheets are abhorring. In no way does this project forbid replacement submissions from other games/franchises. This is simply a united, organized effort to deal with the substandard sheets one game/category at a time.

This time, we will be focusing on Super Mario 64.
Spoiler
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mariowiki.com%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2F3%2F3e%2FSuper_Mario_64_Boxart.png%2F260px-Super_Mario_64_Boxart.png&hash=03e6c61ac886edc7a1d419923f81e102f7eae536)
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What you need to know:

- If you begin work on a sheet, post here so I can edit this target post with the updated information. This keeps multiple people from working on the same song at the same time.
- Can't arrange? No problem; critique other sheets that either have not been looked at yet, or have just been revised.
- There is no limit to how many sheets you may work on simultaneously, but before you claim you should make sure you will be able to complete all your claims.
- The same rules for crediting replacements (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=6238) apply here.

Here is the [OST] (http://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/super-mario-64-soundtrack) with official names. You can find more about the OST listing [here] (http://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_64_Soundtrack).

Composer info: Composed by Koji Kondo
Copyright info: Nintendo © 1996

Here is a list of the sheets currently on site in OST order. You can find the current .mus file for any sheet [HERE] (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7lftomtv5hkgyel/AADUDgXc4g6cIGtmiy0uYAU0a?dl=0).

Color code:
Red - needs to be fixed/replaced, currently unclaimed
Orange - in progress by someone
Blue - arranged and ready for checking
Green - approved by updater team
Green - on site, and already perfect (in other words don't worry about this sheet, we won't need to update it)
Black - arranged and evaluated, but not accepted. arranger must fix/edit.

0 - Medley - replaced by TheMarioPianist
2 - Title Theme - replaced by TheMarioPianist
5 - Super Mario 64 Main Theme - replaced by TheMarioPianist
6 - Slider - replaced by mariolegofan
6a - Slider (Duet) - replaced by mariolegofan and Latios212
7 - Inside the Castle Walls - replaced by Don Valentino
8 - Looping Steps - replaced by Don Valentino
9 - Dire, Dire Docks - fixed by Latios212, mariolegofan, and TheMarioPianist
10 - Lethal Lava Land - replaced by Olimar12345
11 - Snow Mountain - replaced by Olimar12345 and mariolegofan
13 - Merry-Go-Round - replaced by mariolegofan
14 - Cave Dungeon - replaced by mariolegofan
15 - Piranha Plant's Lullaby - replaced by Latios212
16 - Powerful Mario - fixed by mariolegofan
17 - Metallic Mario - replaced by mariolegofan
18 - File Select - fixed by The Deku Trombonist
19 - Correct Solution - arranged by The Deku Trombonist
29 - Koopa's Road
30 - Koopa's Theme - fixed by mariolegofan
31 - Koopa Clear - arranged by JDMEK5
32 - Ultimate Koopa - replaced by Don Valentino
35 - Staff Roll - replaced by Don Valentino
36 - Piranha Plant's Lullaby - Piano - fixed by mariolegofan
DS1 - Rec Room - replaced by mariolegofan
DS2 - Sort or 'Splode - replaced by mariolegofan

New arrangements
3 - Peach's Message - arranged by mariolegofan
4 - Opening - arranged by JDMEK5
6b - Slider (Two Pianos) - Arranged by mariolegofan and Latios212
12 - Haunted House - arranged by mariolegofan
20 - Toad's Message - arranged by mariolegofan
21 - Power Star - arranged by mariolegofan
22 - Race Fanfare - arranged by JDMEK5
23 - Star Catch Fanfare - arranged by mariolegofan
24 - Game Start - arranged by mariolegofan
33 - Ultimate Koopa Clear - arranged by mariolegofan
37 - Lakitu's Message - arranged by mariolegofan
DS3 - Luigi's Casino - arranged by Don Valentino

The "Fixing the Sheets"™ brand name brought to you by JDMEK5 © 2013 and is reused with permission.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 20, 2015, 10:06:29 AM
This one is probably going to be a bit easier than the Gold / Silver one, since Koji Kondo is the only composer for this game xD

The soundtrack is pretty short too, unless we're also doing the unique tracks from Super Mario 64 DS.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Tobbeh99 on September 20, 2015, 10:16:13 AM
Do we really need a new topic? Can't we just move the already existing thread over here instead?
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on September 20, 2015, 10:58:33 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 20, 2015, 10:06:29 AMThis one is probably going to be a bit easier than the Gold / Silver one, since Koji Kondo is the only composer for this game xD

The soundtrack is pretty short too, unless we're also doing the unique tracks from Super Mario 64 DS.
Yup lol.
We're fixing the ones in the section currently, and I'm currently unsure if we'll accept new sheets or extend it to SM64DS (but there are a couple wrongly placed in the SM64 section that we'll fix.)

Quote from: Tobbeh99 on September 20, 2015, 10:16:13 AMDo we really need a new topic? Can't we just move the already existing thread over here instead?
I'm working on getting everything better organized here.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on September 20, 2015, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: Latios212 on September 20, 2015, 10:58:33 AMI'm working on getting everything better organized here.
Hey
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on September 20, 2015, 01:16:35 PM
PSA:

I know it looks like there's not much to do since most of the sheets already have blue status, but you can help out by helping to critique and check the sheets in the Dropbox folder. It really helps moving the review process along.

The more feedback we get, the faster this will go!
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on September 20, 2015, 01:48:01 PM
I'll take Piranha Plant's Lullaby (Piano). It just needs some very minor fixes.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: FireArrow on September 20, 2015, 02:23:06 PM
Uh, where's the dropbox folder? I thought the NSM folder was deleted...
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 20, 2015, 02:35:06 PM
I put brackets around it in the op so that it is easier to see.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: FireArrow on September 20, 2015, 02:37:38 PM
 Oh, it was there the whole time. Thanks for helping the intellectually impaired :J
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on September 20, 2015, 04:22:42 PM
Aren't we adding the new arrangements too?
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on September 20, 2015, 07:48:02 PM
Yes, I'll add that in tomorrow.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on September 20, 2015, 09:10:17 PM
Now, the moment you've all been waiting for (probably not, but it makes me more excited if I think you might possibly anticipating this). The Medley is complete! This rendition features the Main Theme, Snow Mountain, Dire, Dire Docks, Inside the Castle Walls, Koopa's Road, and the Staff Roll. Note: The version of Dire, Dire Docks currently in the medley is not the version by Latios and MLF; it is a placeholder from the main site until theirs is done.

[.mus] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gb7egxx45stm41q/Medley.mus?dl=0) [.musx] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yyq7plvgvkwavg/Medley.musx?dl=0)
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Brawler4Ever on September 20, 2015, 09:50:55 PM
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on September 19, 2015, 12:12:30 PMIt sounds amazing!
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Tobbeh99 on September 21, 2015, 05:48:26 AM
The Medley:
I'd write all the arrangers in the beginning like:

Arrangers:
Super Mario 64 Main Theme by DonValentino
Snow Mountain by The Deku trombonist, edited by Mariolegofan
etc.
Compiled by TheMarioPianist

Also check the spacing of things, some dynamics are too low almost on the staff lines.

Measure 91: The "come pizzicato". First of I think it's more common to "quasi pizzicato", secondly and more important, I'm guessing your indicating this on measure 91 but it's a bit obscure since the expression lies in between the systems, so one might though it is connected to measure 95 or 96. put it above the right hand staff I think is more clear.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Altissimo on September 21, 2015, 06:09:29 AM
I know that we're going off titles as given by the OST or something but I think when the name is something unrelated like "Cave Dungeon" then maybe we should call it actually Hazy Maze Cave or whatever. I know we strive for title accuracy to the greatest possible extent but we also have a significant fanbase that are not aware of the OST having different names and "Cave Dungeon" is just gonna be confusing to someone who probably expects to see (almost) every level name represented.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 21, 2015, 06:12:34 AM
I've always known it as Cave Dungeon though.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Brawler4Ever on September 21, 2015, 07:37:24 AM
The ost really doesn't make sense. The song for lethal lava land and shifting sand land is named after the former, but the song for hazy maze cave and wet dry world is called cave dungeon. But it also plays in the pyramid in shifting sand land, while the song for bob omb battlefield plays for that level, thwomps fortress, and tall tall mountain. And Slider is found in the rainbow cruise level and the clock level, on top of the sliding areas.

If anything, the ost is very inconsistent.  :P
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on September 21, 2015, 07:39:29 AM
I agree, but I think we should use since it is official.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on September 21, 2015, 10:36:46 AM
Latios and I fixed Dire, Dire Docks. It's in the Dropbox Folder.
I only fixed the formatting and checked the notes.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on September 21, 2015, 05:42:33 PM
Piranha Plant's Lullaby (Piano) needed almost no edits. It is in the dropbox folder.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on September 21, 2015, 05:53:31 PM
Cool.

PSA if anyone has any SM64 arrangements that aren't replacements we'll still take them.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on September 21, 2015, 06:16:12 PM
Peach's Message
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6znd73wb2ukvkye/3%20-%20Peach%27s%20Message%20-%20mariolegofan.mus?dl=0
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Brawler4Ever on September 21, 2015, 06:20:54 PM
Remaining Songs
"It's-a Me, Mario!" (Original title: "It's me, Mario!") (Voice: Charles Martinet)
Title Theme (used at the beginning of game)
Peach's Message (used when Peach reads her letter)
Opening (used when Lakitu first appears)
Toad's Message (Original title: Kinopio's Message) (used when talking to Toad)
Power Star (used when freeing a Power Star)
Star Catch Fanfare (used after Mario collects a Power Star)
Game Start (used at the beginning of every main course)
Course Clear (used at the end of any main course's level)
Game Over (used after Mario runs out of lives)
Stage Boss (used in only four of the stage boss battles in the game: King Bob-omb in Bob-omb Battlefield, the Whomp King in Whomp's Fortress, Eyerok in Shifting Sand Land, and Wiggler in Tiny-Huge Island)
Koopa's Message (used at the beginning of game when the player enters the castle)
Ultimate Koopa Clear (used after clearing the final Bowser battle)
Ending Demo (used when Mario is freeing Peach from the castle walls)
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Most of these are just sound effects, but this is a list of all of the songs on the soundtrack (http://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_64_Original_Soundtrack) that are not listed in the OP. I can't find a soundtrack for the DS version...
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on September 21, 2015, 06:34:53 PM
I can probably do all the sound effects unless someone else wants to?
And this song is absent from the OST for some reason:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CATsx1LRKg

And here is Power Star:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bmnv34t19rwqdko/Super%20Mario%2064%20-%20Power%20Star.mus?dl=0
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: JDMEK5 on September 22, 2015, 09:46:39 AM
I have no idea if it's been addressed yet but I don't think the "Medley" should remain on the site at all. The only special value it currently contains is the fact that it has the "Opening" music in it (which I'm claiming here).
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on September 22, 2015, 10:11:01 AM
I would have to agree, but only the arranger can remove his sheets from the site. The Updaters can remove sheets from the site, but you would need the arranger's consent.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Brawler4Ever on September 22, 2015, 10:23:43 AM
I'm pretty sure that jamaha can do whatever he wants to do with the sheets on his site. I don't know if that extends to the updaters, but I'm fairly confident that it does. Every time a replacement is accepted, the original arranger's sheet is removed, with or without their consent.

As for medleys, they're mentioned in the WSYSLL thread, but that might refer to sheets that are found in the soundtrack of a game, that are medleys. TMP'smedley is not found on the soundtrack, so I'm not sure.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on September 22, 2015, 10:34:56 AM
When we fixed Paper Mario, we fixed all the songs including the Paper Mario Medley.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Yug_Guy on September 22, 2015, 09:48:58 PM
Quote from: mariolegofan on September 22, 2015, 10:11:01 AMI would have to agree, but only the arranger can remove his sheets from the site. The Updaters can remove sheets from the site, but you would need the arranger's consent.
Then we update it with the new sheet, and the new arranger agrees to have it taken down. Problem solved!
Assuming we don't count the whole "free-will" thing. But Mariopianist wouldn't have anything like that... right?
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on September 23, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
A medley doesn't refer to something in the OST as far as I know. I mean, you don't have to list each song in the Smash medleys, do you? I'd be thoroughly disappointed if my medley was cut out though.....
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on September 23, 2015, 07:57:20 PM
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on September 21, 2015, 05:48:26 AMThe Medley:
I'd write all the arrangers in the beginning like:

Arrangers:
Super Mario 64 Main Theme by DonValentino
Snow Mountain by The Deku trombonist, edited by Mariolegofan
etc.
Compiled by TheMarioPianist

Also check the spacing of things, some dynamics are too low almost on the staff lines.

Measure 91: The "come pizzicato". First of I think it's more common to "quasi pizzicato", secondly and more important, I'm guessing your indicating this on measure 91 but it's a bit obscure since the expression lies in between the systems, so one might though it is connected to measure 95 or 96. put it above the right hand staff I think is more clear.

Ok, in these updated versions, I think I fixed all of these things. And thanks for catching the pizzicato thing. When it came to expressions and stuff, I kinda left them as the original arranger had them. I didn't touch it. Thanks again for catching it. And if anyone has an argument as to why a medley should not be allowed on, try me. I'd love to hear it.

[.mus] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gb7egxx45stm41q/Medley.mus?dl=0) [.musx] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yyq7plvgvkwavg/Medley.musx?dl=0)
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on September 24, 2015, 07:09:30 AM
Nice! I'll have feedback on this later when I get on my computer.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Tobbeh99 on September 24, 2015, 08:21:38 AM
Medley:

- in the last 2 systems you have the measure distribution 5,3. It looks better as 4,4.
- You can fit this on 6 pages if you resize it to 90% and move some measures around. You can resize the pages by using the page layout tool>Resize Pages (Page reduction).
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on September 24, 2015, 09:21:32 AM
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on September 24, 2015, 08:21:38 AMMedley:

- in the last 2 systems you have the measure distribution 5,3. It looks better as 4,4.
- You can fit this on 6 pages if you resize it to 90% and move some measures around. You can resize the pages by using the page layout tool>Resize Pages (Page reduction).
Huh, that's weird that it did 5, 3. I set it to 4 measures per system (or so I thought...). Anyway, I'll fix that up as well as resizing the pages once I get home.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on September 24, 2015, 03:35:12 PM
Ok, fixed the measure distribution and got it onto 6 pages. Let me know if anything seems crammed!

[.mus] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gb7egxx45stm41q/Medley.mus?dl=0) [.musx] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yyq7plvgvkwavg/Medley.musx?dl=0)

Oh yea, and if it doesn't do this automatically, make sure Human Playback is off. Should have mentioned that before. I don't know how many people have that on, but the ritardandos will sound weird if it is on.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: FireArrow on September 24, 2015, 05:23:19 PM
I wanna give some critique to the Staff Role, but as evident by the picture on it, I don't think Don intended for it to be a "100% accurate lets put it on the site" arrangement.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on September 24, 2015, 05:24:41 PM
Leave the critique! We did the same thing with Pikachu's Beach for Pokémon, just reverted Don's creative sheet to a normal transcription for the site.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: FireArrow on September 24, 2015, 05:41:08 PM
I'll keep it brief since he's probably well aware of what needs to be changed:

-The second voice in the first 5 measures is parallel to the melody, I'd personally notate it as octaves.
-The L.H. for the part A section is definitely more full than just single notes, you can even incorporate that guitar-y voice if you want.
-Remove edits to the melody line in the A section.

-R.H. chords in the B sections
-That guitar-y voice is an option here as well

-I'd argue the sustained voice is necessary for the C section.

-The second coming of the A and B section needs to be fleshed out as well.

-Sustained voices in the ending.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on September 24, 2015, 07:04:24 PM
Hey FireArrow, can you check the part of the Staff Roll that shows up in my medley and see if it needs any changes? Of course, I probably should just wait until Don's sheet is done before I worry about that...
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on September 24, 2015, 08:00:34 PM
For Latios and MLF in particular, but for anyone reviewing the project, I have files here with some possible changes for Dire, Dire Docks. Here's what I did:

-changed time sig to cut time and changed tempo accordingly (drawn from Super Mario Series for piano)
-changed key sig to G major (Same as above)
-added counter melody in measures 1-12 that only plays on repeat
-removed D from each right hand chord on measures 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 (does not play in original)
-Measure 48: removed extra Bb-G chord from beat 2 (does not appear in original)

Something you may want to examine: After the repeat of the first section (with the counter melody), the bass line gets much more intense. I could help with this once we get into the weekend. I know my Super Mario Series doesn't use repeats efficiently, but they have this as a 4 pager. Yours is currently 2 plus 2 systems. I think to match the original we need to include the section with a more difficult bass line. Once again, I can help if you need it. But not until Saturday at least. For now, let me know what you think of this!

[.mus] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/09u9m69cj2m0zkk/Dire%20Dire%20Docks%20Revisions.mus?dl=0) [.musx] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/wclnykpw6u2tix7/Dire%20Dire%20Docks%20Revisions.musx?dl=0)

Note: If for some reason the second time only notes don't work, try turning off human playback. I haven't had any issues, but I'm just saying that just in case.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on September 24, 2015, 08:21:04 PM
I actually wasn't finished with Dire, Dire Docks yet. I just checked the notes and did some aesthetic work with.
Good points, though. I'll check it out tomorrow
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on September 24, 2015, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: mariolegofan on September 24, 2015, 08:21:04 PMI actually wasn't finished with Dire, Dire Docks yet. I just checked the notes and did some aesthetic work with.
Good points, though. I'll check it out tomorrow
I wasn't sure if you were done or not. These are just some ideas. If you need any help, let me know.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Brawler4Ever on September 24, 2015, 09:20:29 PM
I think that the 3 red notes in measure 6 of Dire, Dire Docks sound better as either A) a downward glissando half note (less likely) or B) two grace notes and a half note (more likely). Not entirely sure which would look better.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: FireArrow on September 25, 2015, 01:09:40 AM
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on September 24, 2015, 07:04:24 PMHey FireArrow, can you check the part of the Staff Roll that shows up in my medley and see if it needs any changes? Of course, I probably should just wait until Don's sheet is done before I worry about that...

Since it's taken directly out of his sheet I'd just wait for Don.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: JDMEK5 on September 29, 2015, 10:25:03 AM
Whelp now I'm gonna go and make a whole bunch of Medleys for other games.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on September 29, 2015, 11:03:27 AM
Quote from: JDMEK5 on September 29, 2015, 10:25:03 AMWhelp now I'm gonna go and make a whole bunch of Medleys for other games.
I love making medleys! Imo it gives arrangers more room for creativity. I want to do more as well, because it's a shame that they mention them in the WSYSLL thread but no one does them. I want to change the trend.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on October 06, 2015, 09:18:23 PM
Finally, an addition to the project! Title Theme, pretty much set! I was questioning where to put articulations (I don't think I have any now), and my repeats could mess up in playback, so watch out for those.

[.mus] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/q0tysgcpn7ma5d9/Title%20Theme.mus?dl=0)
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on October 08, 2015, 07:01:38 PM
Hey guys,

Have a rough version of the entire Dire, Dire Docks. With the additional, new bass part. Pedal markings and dynamics are incomplete. Will worry about that lone system on the last page later. If you guys wanna fix it up that's cool too.

[.mus] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/09u9m69cj2m0zkk/Dire%20Dire%20Docks%20Revisions.mus?dl=0)
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on October 08, 2015, 07:04:12 PM
I'd love to but won't be to my computer until Saturday.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on October 08, 2015, 07:19:51 PM
Quote from: mariolegofan on October 08, 2015, 07:04:12 PMI'd love to but won't be to my computer until Saturday.
That's fine! I understand. Have fun wherever it is that you are!
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on October 10, 2015, 08:27:46 AM
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on October 08, 2015, 07:01:38 PMHey guys,

Have a rough version of the entire Dire, Dire Docks. With the additional, new bass part. Pedal markings and dynamics are incomplete. Will worry about that lone system on the last page later. If you guys wanna fix it up that's cool too.

[.mus] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/09u9m69cj2m0zkk/Dire%20Dire%20Docks%20Revisions.mus?dl=0)
Looks great! I think it's fine how it is (except for the last 2 bars which could be moved over, but I'll let the Updaters worry about that). I just fixed 2 things:
1. Made the whole staff the same size. 2. Put your name on as editor.
I put it in the DB folder!
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on October 10, 2015, 09:07:02 AM
Quote from: mariolegofan on October 10, 2015, 08:27:46 AMLooks great! I think it's fine how it is (except for the last 2 bars which could be moved over, but I'll let the Updaters worry about that). I just fixed 2 things:
1. Made the whole staff the same size. 2. Put your name on as editor.
I put it in the DB folder!
Thanks! I knew those staffs didn't seem right, for some reason I couldn't get it to only shrink some. Idk. Thanks again!
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: JDMEK5 on October 10, 2015, 05:09:09 PM
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on September 29, 2015, 11:03:27 AMI love making medleys! Imo it gives arrangers more room for creativity. I want to do more as well, because it's a shame that they mention them in the WSYSLL thread but no one does them. I want to change the trend.
Well sure but I don't think they should be on the main site any more so than Maestro's Virtuosi arrangements. They're just too far from canonical. As in, there's just too much custom composition involved. (It's kinda weird for me to say that but this is one of those rare cases where I will)
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on November 03, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
How's Lethal Lava Land coming, guys? I can offer my assistance if needed.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on November 03, 2015, 10:00:35 AM
Quote from: mariolegofan on November 03, 2015, 09:52:49 AMHow's Lethal Lava Land coming, guys? I can offer my assistance if needed.
Umm....oops ;D. We kinda haven't worked on that in a while. I've been busy with other things. I can show you what we have so far later. I'll try to make some progress tonight.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on November 03, 2015, 10:03:33 AM
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on November 03, 2015, 10:00:35 AMUmm....oops ;D. We kinda haven't worked on that in a while. I've been busy with other things. I can show you what we have so far later. I'll try to make some progress tonight.
Ok! I'll take a look.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Brawler4Ever on November 03, 2015, 02:13:50 PM
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on November 03, 2015, 10:00:35 AMUmm....oops ;D. We kinda haven't worked on that in a while. I've been busy with other things. I can show you what we have so far later. I'll try to make some progress tonight.

Ditto. I haven't done any arranging in about a month. :P
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: FireArrow on November 05, 2015, 08:44:54 AM
I'm getting a 503 error when I open the folder.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on November 05, 2015, 09:45:05 AM
Quote from: FireArrow on November 05, 2015, 08:44:54 AMI'm getting a 503 error when I open the folder.
I'm not...
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on November 05, 2015, 11:03:23 AM
2 more:

Ultimate Koopa Clear
[MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/w2okrb7nqr56utr/Super%20Mario%2064%20-%20Ultimate%20Koopa%20Clear.mus?dl=1)

Star Catch Fanfare
[MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gzhcnv5gyzcsd72/Super%20Mario%2064%20-%20Star%20Catch%20Fanfare.mus?dl=1)
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: JDMEK5 on November 05, 2015, 09:29:18 PM
This one will probably require some extra embellishing maybe: Opening (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93589150/Super%20Mario%2064%20-%20Opening.mus)
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on November 06, 2015, 07:50:13 PM
Quote from: JDMEK5 on November 05, 2015, 09:29:18 PMThis one will probably require some extra embellishing maybe: Opening (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93589150/Super%20Mario%2064%20-%20Opening.mus)
Yay.

Is there any reason the crescendos are different lengths? Maybe nudge the layer 2 rests down a little?

Current (text-aligned) version placed in Dropbox folder.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on November 07, 2015, 08:28:41 PM
Dire, Dire Docks now complete. Very shiny.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on December 10, 2015, 02:23:38 PM
So... uh... how's Lethal Lava Land going? :I
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on December 10, 2015, 04:31:53 PM
Quote from: Latios212 on December 10, 2015, 02:23:38 PMSo... uh... how's Lethal Lava Land going? :I

Uh, I think the proximity of exams and other school stuff has held it up on my end. I plan on finishing it up once I hit Christmas break; that ok?
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on December 10, 2015, 04:35:43 PM
Sounds fine to me :P
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: DonValentino on December 25, 2015, 05:24:27 AM
I haven't forgotten.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtvlggva12vwg9n/35%20-%20Staff%20Roll%20-%20Don%20Valentino.mus?dl=0

I'll fix Ultimate Bowser (yes, it can be Bowser) (http://vgmdb.net/album/18736), Looping Steps and Inside the Castle Walls soon when I have time. Also, you forgot to add my "Luigi's Casino" from the DS remake, which I'll also fix.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on December 25, 2015, 11:34:14 AM
Sorry, it's Ultimate Koopa according to the Official Super Mario 64 soundtrack found on Mario Wikipedia.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 25, 2015, 11:55:47 AM
Vgmdb is a more credible source than Wikipedia, where anyone is allowed to edit pages.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: DonValentino on December 25, 2015, 12:11:59 PM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 25, 2015, 11:55:47 AMVgmdb is a more credible source than Wikipedia, where anyone is allowed to edit pages.

Yup, VGMdb all the way~~

Quote from: mariolegofan on December 25, 2015, 11:34:14 AMSorry, it's Ultimate Koopa according to the Official Super Mario 64 soundtrack found on Mario Wikipedia.

But the one I'm referring to is also Official :c
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Dudeman on December 25, 2015, 12:16:04 PM
"Koopa" is just the Japanese name for Bowser, so I think it's acceptable to switch the two as the arranger sees fit.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on December 25, 2015, 04:20:14 PM
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on January 16, 2016, 09:10:22 PM
4 - Opening - arranged by JDMEK5
11 - Snow Mountain - replaced by Olimar12345 and mariolegofan

We're gettin' there. Slowly but surely.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on January 17, 2016, 07:13:14 AM
Yay!
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on January 21, 2016, 08:27:11 PM
5 - Super Mario 64 Main Theme - replaced by TheMarioPianist
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: DonValentino on January 22, 2016, 03:24:06 AM
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on September 21, 2015, 05:48:26 AMThe Medley:
I'd write all the arrangers in the beginning like:

Arrangers:
Super Mario 64 Main Theme by DonValentino
Snow Mountain by The Deku trombonist, edited by Mariolegofan
etc.
Compiled by TheMarioPianist

Also check the spacing of things, some dynamics are too low almost on the staff lines.

Measure 91: The "come pizzicato". First of I think it's more common to "quasi pizzicato", secondly and more important, I'm guessing your indicating this on measure 91 but it's a bit obscure since the expression lies in between the systems, so one might though it is connected to measure 95 or 96. put it above the right hand staff I think is more clear.

Sorry, late to the party! lol

Well, I'd say you don't put all the arrangers in the arranger part of the sheet, it's crazy, imagine you have like 50 arrangers. I'd recommend  only leaving the "Compiled by" and writing the arranger name with the track name like this: ""Super Mario 64 Theme" by The Mario Pianist" ("" between the track title).

The "come pizzicato" was my doing, no need to blame him hehe
I wrote "come" and not "quasi" because pizzicato is something inherent to strings that cannot be translated to the piano (well, unless you play its strings directly lol). "Quasi" would imply the actual possibility to play it pizzicato, whereas "come" is just "in the manner of", "imitating" pizzicato.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Tobbeh99 on January 22, 2016, 06:13:55 AM
Quote from: DonValentino on January 22, 2016, 03:24:06 AMThe "come pizzicato" was my doing, no need to blame him hehe
I wrote "come" and not "quasi" because pizzicato is something inherent to strings that cannot be translated to the piano (well, unless you play its strings directly lol). "Quasi" would imply the actual possibility to play it pizzicato, whereas "come" is just "in the manner of", "imitating" pizzicato.

ok, I said that because I've seen in some Liszt sheets that he'd written "quasi" for example quasi pizzicato, quasi fagotto etc. so I thought that was the way to go.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: TheMarioPianist on January 22, 2016, 06:40:27 AM
Quote from: DonValentino on January 22, 2016, 03:24:06 AMSorry, late to the party! lol

Well, I'd say you don't put all the arrangers in the arranger part of the sheet, it's crazy, imagine you have like 50 arrangers. I'd recommend  only leaving the "Compiled by" and writing the arranger name with the track name like this: ""Super Mario 64 Theme" by The Mario Pianist" ("" between the track title).

I was thinking of something like that. That would be much nicer than slamming them all at the top. Like you said, that could get out of control pretty fast! Since you guys have updated some of the sheets in the medley, I'll update those accordingly.

Quote from: Latios212 on January 21, 2016, 08:27:11 PM5 - Super Mario 64 Main Theme - replaced by TheMarioPianist

Yay!
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: DonValentino on January 22, 2016, 10:19:48 AM
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on January 22, 2016, 06:13:55 AMok, I said that because I've seen in some Liszt sheets that he'd written "quasi" for example quasi pizzicato, quasi fagotto etc. so I thought that was the way to go.

Both are ok, just explaining why I wrote it like that xD
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on January 23, 2016, 07:56:49 PM
6 - Slider - replaced by mariolegofan
9 - Dire, Dire Docks - fixed by Latios212, mariolegofan, and TheMarioPianist
16 - Powerful Mario - fixed by mariolegofan
36 - Piranha Plant's Lullaby - Piano - fixed by mariolegofan
24 - Game Start - arranged by mariolegofan
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Latios212 on January 24, 2016, 06:48:44 PM
16 - Powerful Mario - fixed by mariolegofan
17 - Metallic Mario - replaced by mariolegofan
22 - Race Fanfare - arranged by JDMEK5
23 - Star Catch Fanfare - arranged by mariolegofan

We're getting there!
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: JDMEK5 on January 25, 2016, 06:49:13 AM
Lol I just noticed the small text at the beginning of the OP. You guys know that that's not necessary, right? I've said before that I'm happy to contribute. :P
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: DonValentino on January 28, 2016, 01:11:23 PM
Fixed some chord dispositions, some inaccurate notes here and overall stuff...

Super Mario 64 - "Ultimate Bowser"  MUS (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56815186/Super%20Mario%2064%20-%20Ultimate%20Bowser.mus)
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Tobbeh99 on January 28, 2016, 02:18:28 PM
Looks great!

measure 28: Here I think the sost. ped. would be really useful. That way you could hold down the D with the pedal and use both hand for the melody.

Also measure 18: I'm guessing the rubato ends here, maybe write something like tempo giusto to tell that it is not rubato anymore.

measures 1-17: Doesn't the melody go: (High)A-D-F-E+G#? That's what I'm hearing.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: DonValentino on January 29, 2016, 02:27:52 AM
Thanks!

Quote from: Tobbeh99 on January 28, 2016, 02:18:28 PMmeasure 28: Here I think the sost. ped. would be really useful. That way you could hold down the D with the pedal and use both hand for the melody.

I'm not a fan of adding sostenuto marks on my sheets since not all pianos have it, but yeah, I guess this is the perfect spot to include it. lol


Quote from: Tobbeh99 on January 28, 2016, 02:18:28 PMAlso measure 18: I'm guessing the rubato ends here, maybe write something like tempo giusto to tell that it is not rubato anymore.

No guessing! It may seem logical but truth is that the song has some places that aren't really strict in tempo. Take even measure 18, where it starts a little slower and then catches up, or 27, where it does that half a little bit longer and starts 28 a little slower again to catch up later.

So yeah... And all in all in a piece like this rubato is obviously minimum, in entrances and long notes at most, and specially if it is "poco".


Quote from: Tobbeh99 on January 28, 2016, 02:18:28 PMmeasures 1-17: Doesn't the melody go: (High)A-D-F-E+G#? That's what I'm hearing.

I'm pretty sure there's another sound higher than E and G#. Maybe if you lower an octave with some audio editing program you spot it more easily :J

Link updated above.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on January 29, 2016, 09:44:35 AM
Nice job, Don!
I don't have time to get far in, but here is some things I noticed on first glance:

Measure 18:
-The right hand G# should be an Ab.
Measure 29:
- Courtesy accidental on the G in the right hand.
Measures 35-40
-Why is the left hand in the second layer?



Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: DonValentino on January 29, 2016, 02:47:48 PM
Thanks!

Quote from: Sebastian on January 29, 2016, 09:44:35 AMMeasure 18:
-The right hand G# should be an Ab.

Nope, just as it is G# in the introduction (D/D), it is G# there again, like mimicking the intro but actually going forward. Besides, the old version had been accidental-checked by Deku a looong time ago and I haven't changed a single accidental in the updating process. I even recall having an Ab and changing it, as well as in tons of other places. d:

Quote from: Sebastian on January 29, 2016, 09:44:35 AMMeasure 29:
- Courtesy accidental on the G in the right hand.

Sure y not

Quote from: Sebastian on January 29, 2016, 09:44:35 AMMeasures 35-40
-Why is the left hand in the second layer?

Tobbeh uses layers 3/4 for entire passages and nobody tells him anything :x I just didn't notice it was in the wrong layer heh, corrected.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56815186/Super%20Mario%2064%20-%20Ultimate%20Bowser.mus
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on January 30, 2016, 10:06:20 AM
Quote from: DonValentino on January 29, 2016, 02:47:48 PMNope, just as it is G# in the introduction (D/D), it is G# there again, like mimicking the intro but actually going forward. Besides, the old version had been accidental-checked by Deku a looong time ago and I haven't changed a single accidental in the updating process. I even recall having an Ab and changing it, as well as in tons of other places. d:
Makes perfect sense to me.

Quote from: DonValentino on January 29, 2016, 02:47:48 PMTobbeh uses layers 3/4 for entire passages and nobody tells him anything :x I just didn't notice it was in the wrong layer heh, corrected.
Don't forget 5, 6, 11, 12, & 17.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Tobbeh99 on January 30, 2016, 12:10:25 PM
On the topic of layer usage:

when I use layers 3,4 it's ether because:
1)It's one of my older sheets where I had the idea of using layer 2 for LH and layer 3 for RH, later I realized that it was completely pointless so I started using layer 2 instead, only higher layers if I need to.
2) I actually use more layers for playback purpose, to bring out a melody using a layer or something like that.

Also I do not see the importance of making everything in layer 1 or 2 if possible, because it's literally a mus-file thing, so if you print the pdf you wont see any colors. And it doesn't help if people want to edit the sheet or something like that, so I think those measures Seb pointed out can be as they are.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: DonValentino on January 30, 2016, 01:00:05 PM
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on January 30, 2016, 12:10:25 PMOn the topic of layer usage:

when I use layers 3,4 it's ether because:
1)It's one of my older sheets where I had the idea of using layer 2 for LH and layer 3 for RH, later I realized that it was completely pointless so I started using layer 2 instead, only higher layers if I need to.
2) I actually use more layers for playback purpose, to bring out a melody using a layer or something like that.

Also I do not see the importance of making everything in layer 1 or 2 if possible, because it's literally a mus-file thing, so if you print the pdf you wont see any colors. And it doesn't help if people want to edit the sheet or something like that, so I think those measures Seb pointed out can be as they are.

lol of course that's what I say, it doesn't really matter xD
I was just joking about me just accidentally leaving 4-5 measures while in some cases you have left entire passages and has never been an issue lol


Quote from: Sebastian on January 30, 2016, 10:06:20 AMDon't forget 5, 6, 11, 12, & 17.

Why? Not that it doesn't matter at all, but those are actually from the second voice lol
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 30, 2016, 02:33:23 PM
They separate layers have other functions than just their color and the ability to add more notes to a measure. for example, certain layers have automatic beam and articulation directions, depending on which one you use (like how layer one ops up and layer two ops down). There really is no need to use any layer besides layer 1 if you only need one layer, and in the past we've had arrangers do that for submissions.
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Sebastian on June 11, 2016, 08:25:04 AM
Great work with Lethal Lava Land, Olimar!
Title: Re: The "Fixing the Sheets" Project - Super Mario 64
Post by: Olimar12345 on July 04, 2016, 08:54:40 AM
Project complete, archiving this topic. Thanks for everyone's hard work! C: