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What does Brawl have anything to do with franchises that might be brought over to the Wii U?

I doubt we will see anthing new from Earthbound anytime soon, quite possibly ever. As far as Nintendo other big franchises go, Zelda nor a 3D Mario were launch titles for the Wii, but they did come to great success. I'd rather wait for those few great games when the developers understand the fullest potential of this new system, rather than put out a lack luster product.

Sure, these few announced launch titles leave much to be desired, but keep in mind, there is still another five months for any meaningful announcements regarding games.

Well, first, we were talking about what we wanted to see on the Wii U, which lead to Earthbound, which lead to a discussion of SSBB. At least it's still Nintendo related...

As many have said, if these are the titles that will come out early on, imagine what will come out later? Many of the launch titles of the PS3 were rather mediocre, and yet look at the games now! Uncharted, LittleBigPlanet, Playstation All Stars Battle Royale (coming soon), Arkham Asylum and City (as were mentioned earlier), and even the download games like the Pixeljunk series, Comet Crash, and titles from previous games, including many Final Fantasy games.

Technically, don't most of those ideas apply to. . . any player. Excluding the PK attack of course.

Let's take Ike, for example (one of my favorite characters to use): He doesn't move too fast, deals TONS of damage, can take some hits before he's knocked back, and has a "finisher" final smash, although it does miss sometimes. Almost like a slightly lighter Ganondorf or Bowser.
He's better on stages like Final Destination, where his opponents can't run from him; where he can smash them up, and knock them off with a powerful blow (his counterattack also comes in handy in such close quarters combat). On larger stages, characters like Pit can easily hide and attack him as he's trying to march toward them.

Meta Knight, often considered on of the best characters, although good, is quite overhyped...
He's very fast, and is good on most stages, but with speed comes inaccuracy. If he misses even once, it leaves him vulnerable to an attack from characters like Ike or Donkey Kong; and with one attack comes a full fury. A master player can slay opponents with him, but they must be careful against others of their skill. I'm still a little on-the-edge with Meta Knight, and haven't brought him to such full potential.

Ah, how we've strayed far from the original discussion...

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Lol, don't deal much damage? Have you ever tried Smash Up with Lucas? Also, how does how good of a game you think Earthbound is translate to how good the SSB characters are?

Yes, especially worthless when your opponent knocks you up in the air.

And, good sir, I do not believe that you actually read my post: I NEVER once said that I did not like the game because of their SSBB characters, nor any correlation between these two things; merely a fact I pointed out. We are on the topic of Nintendo, aren't we?

this, also their stage doesn't give them an advantage, nor does playing as them require you to choose that stage

Why does it seem that, everywhere I go, every single person insists on utterly misenterpreting my words, and taking their definition as truth, using them to generalize me? Is it a lack of communication and emotion that arises on the internet? 
While we're on the topic of Brawl, yes, their stage does give them quite an advantage: they can easily flee, and dash around the stage; if they are knocked back, they usually end up farther from the edge of the stage. The large distance makes it easier for them to use their PK Thunder attack to push themselves back up. As I have pointed out, I did not once say that you are "required" to choose their stage.

You're not a reasonable person for not wanting another EarthBound game. Also, triple post...?

I was responding to three different posts; I'm used to other forums, and I find it harder to respond to multiple people in one giant post on this forum.
I do not like Earthbound; it is quite weird (not only Giygas, both most of the whole thing ), and doesn't really appeal to me overall. I despise playing as Ness and Lucas and Super Smash Brothers Brawl, being that they don't deal much damage, and don't take a lot of hits easily without just flying off the stage (that's why their stage is so huge: to give them an advantage ). Their final smashes are a bit lackluster, as I see the games.

Cave Story doesn't really count either since it's an ancient PC game any reasonable person would have played multiple times before the 3DS was even announced.

Well, I guess I'm not a "reasonable person?"
I haven't even played it yet... 

Both Epic Yarn and Return to Dreamland were quite good, actually. But yeah pretty much everything else you said was completely accurate.

If Nintendo wants to win people over, they can have all the fancy, new gizmo's they like. But if they don't have exciting, new titles to back it up then it will just be a another disappointment in the eyes of Nintendo fans, hard-core gamers, and everyone else not in the family/casual gaming scope of consumers.

Zelda, DK, Kirby, Starfox, POKEMON STADIUM, EARTHBBOUND(how awesome would that be?). Where are the 1st party games that would really blow us away? They ain't there.

...I, personally, can do without Earthbound.
But a revival of a true Pokemon Stadium would tie in well with Black 2 and White 2.

I don't get this portion of your post. If someone only had a wii and wanted to play games like  arkham city, why the hell would they wait for a release? They'd still have to buy another console to play it.

 My God, it's supposed to be about the games, not the consoles...

Those are people who are going to buy a Wii U anyway (Nintendo's loyal customers, people newer to consoles, etc.); not just for one specific game... that's not even an exclusive.

Yes, hardly.  That's the one Wii game released in the last year that has been remotely interesting.  Kirby games were meh.  Maybe DKC was decent, though I never played it.

I wasn't speaking about 3DS, that's a different problem.  I don't recall if Pikmin was supposed to be a launch title, but still that's one game that I might care about.  The new mario games aren't anything interesting or different like Mario Galaxy was, but rather glorified expansion packs for New Super Mario Bros.

It's good that they're finally gotten some decent titles out on 3DS, but I'm still going to wait until the new hardware is out whether it's a remodel or next generation.

I suppose being stuck as a Nintendo fanboy makes you ignorant of how little the platform gets in terms of content.

Major games released on most every other platform in just the past 6 months:

Mass Effect 3
Max Payne 3
Diablo 3
Kingdom of Amalur: Reckoning
Soul Caliber V

And there were plenty more released in the holiday season of 2011 as well as a bunch I didn't list for 2012.

I am not merely a Nintendo fanboy.
The 3DS has plenty of good titles: Kid Icarus Uprising, Star Fox 64 3D, Ocarina of Time 3D, Pokemon Rumble Blast! In addition to those, they also have classics on the EShop and the DS-i Ware games.
Back on the subject of Mario games: Well, that's Mario games! For most of the games, it keeps the same basic formula,  but adds something a little different to each game.

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I most certainly hope that you are not referring to ME!? 

The problem is that there are hardly any first party Nintendo released in the first place, and recently fewer still haven't been gimmicked to hell.  All third party games are superior on other platforms (mostly PC)

Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword, is a relatively recent release on the Wii...
Upcoming: The Mario games (including Paper Mario and Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon), Pikmin 3; and that's just for the first few titles. Think of what's to come in the following months!

But if Nintendo wants to win over PS3 and Xbox players who look at Nintendo as the non-hardcore friendly company, they need games that those players have not played before. New games> Old games every time.

Ah, not always true, especially with older, "classic" games. And, plus, as I mentioned, Nintendo has its own lineup of new, exclusive, games. Just because a game is new doesn't mean that everyone's going to play it; it has to be good as well.

Hype sells games. Batman just won't seem as fun now because it's "Oh, they're re-releasing Arkham City," instead of "They're making Arkham City!"

Also, I feel like Wii Fit U just sounds awkward.

Not all people own the consoles that those games originally came out on; people aren't going to buy a PS3 JUST for Arkham City. Dedicated Nintendo fans will have just another reason to buy the Wii U, and new customers (mostly coming from other systems) will be enticed to 'try' the Wii U out because they know Arkham City is such a good game, and 'stay' for the (hopefully) Nintendo exclusives.
Nintendo got a bit behind in the console race, especially with the Wii (mostly for the fact that it does not have as powerful processing power as, say, the PS3). I feel like the Wii U is, using the PS3 example, almost like a PS3.5, instead of like a PS4.

That's why I used the word "dreaded" in front of "Wii Fit U."

Nintendo could have been ALOT stronger with the Wii U. SMBU, Nintendo Land, and game that were released on 360 and PS3 months ago? Not selling it for me.

It doesn't matter whether the games were released months ago, it just matters how good they are, and how good the Wii U's launch titles will be.
You're also forgetting games like Pikmin 3, and even the dreaded Wii Fit U. 

I've never heard of this game before. 1999? My computer's out of commission, so I'm afraid I can't help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_of_Might_and_Magic_III
Yep; 1999. I've found that, since Ubisoft took over the franchise, very few people have actually heard of it. However, there's still several dedicated fan sites.

Overall, I thought that E3 2012 was pretty good, but it could have been a little better. In my opinion, either Nintendo or Sony (out of the "big three" companies) won the show; Nintendo covered both of its major systems, the 3DS and the upcoming Wii U, while Sony had an overall better lineup for its games. Don't get me started on Microsoft...
For Nintendo, I would have liked to see a little more games relating to the "major franchises": e.g. Metroid, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Pokemon, etc. Although they presented 'Nintendo Land', it could have been much more, or something that would make viewers REALLY be excited for the Wii U.
As I heard on IGN, Sony didn't really show off very many (or any at all ) of its Vita games. E3 would have been an amazing chance to attempt to increase Vita sales.