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Wait what? N1P2 got lynched... so everyone knew. Mind explaining?

He means "not knowing the other wolf was dead"

If there really are two wolves remaining, the game is practically over. They can publicly claim, agree to kill someone tonight, and have a a lock on a 2v1 D3.

This only happens if a wolf become convinced his partner is out there—otherwise he's sticking his neck out for nothing. We can still win in this case as long as we convince each wolf that they're helping to lynch humans when the day phase comes around

Specs gave a fake seering result on Oricorio

I think everything you said is right except this. In bsrw!Specs world (lol), with the ice wolf alive and painting Oricorio, Specs would be telling the truth about his blue seering. I agree with everything else though, it requires quite a bit of tinfoil for Specs to make sense as a wolf now.

Gotta say, whichever one of you is the wolf (or two of you I suppose), kudos on playing a very clean game so far. This has turned into a real cipher.

The only reason I can see for a purposeful blank is that they thought they might need the extra 0.5 vote to help ensure they survived the lynch.

I can do you one better: the best reason I can see for a purposeful blank is mentally flashbanging the remainder of the lobby, as we have been

Also, if we were at one wolf going into D2, doesn't that mean Specs is the only seer left whose results have any pull? Oricorio would have to have been painted by the Ice Wolf, since the Fire Wolf is dead.

Not seeing how we're screwed Xiao--we've got all players at full voting health and it's quite possible there's only one wolf left

Ninja'd

Or a wolf just didn't activate a power. But yeah, I think those are the options.

4 & 0.5??

Oricorio, it's not so much that we're confident THC wasn't the seer as that if THC was the seer, there's no way wolf!Specs or wolf!me would be able to get confident enough that was the case to stick our necks out like this

I'm not buying the being offline thing

I work full time and I am in two out-of-town weddings this week, idk what more I can say

[Oricorio]

BDS's idea that it's possible that me and Specs found each other as wolf going into D2 was unreasonable and would have required active gamethrowing on the part of Specs to be true, and I'm not sure what you're referring to in the second one. But given your own inactivity in this phase, going after someone for trying to get things going is not a good look. What else do you expect me to do?

I think not being directly insulting is a pretty reasonable expectation tbh? That's what I'm talking about, not trying to gin up discussion. We can save that for the postgame though.

Looks like I don't really have a choice now, though? Oricorio. Xiao, what did I just say that changed your mind?

Another question: @SpecsFlyer17, why did you publicly reveal your seer color? All that needed to be shared in public was that Oricorio was the recipient of both our seerings. If Oricorio is lynched today, I supose it won't matter since it's info every living player will have, but I don't think there was a reason to publicly out which seer was which between the two of us.

Oricorio, look, if you're actually a human and you got painted, that sucks, especially with the Santa game as your last wolf game, but antagonizing us to get discussion going is a frustrating way to play (telling BDS he's being stupid, telling Specs to do his homework). Nothing they're saying has been unreasonable and it absolutely reads like you feel like you have your back against a wall

wolf!TZP isn't really incentivized to do anything right now.

I know this isn't gonna persuade you in any direction if you truly do suspect me, but I have been unbelievably busy the last few days, Specs can verify. I don't, as a rule, hide as a wolf. Even if my post count has been fewer than others', I've been trying to make them all count, with the ISO analysis and the wolf fakeclaim.

Responding to points piece by piece to make things more digestible and keep conversation flowing

A couple questions for TZP: Do you think me/Xiao is a viable team? Do you think we're being too quick to clear BDS based on his reaction to the gambit?

To answer your second question first, yes, I do think you are being too quick to clear BDS on this basis (but he's still either my strongest human read or second-strongest human read). In addition to having played TWG longer than anyone else here, he and I were also talking about something else in PMs that I completely changed topic from to run the reaction test. It was a pretty awkward conversation shift, and I think it was probably very obvious to BDS what I was doing

About you and Xiao, yes, I do think you're a viable team, and I don't see anything would indicate that you wouldn't be.

I'm doing my best here everyone. I'll respond more thoroughly and vote in the next hour