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#76
K-Night, game hasn't ended.
#77
Off-Topic / Re: Made mah day.
August 10, 2012, 10:16:35 PM
sprog
#78
voting verm cuz there's 3 2 minutes left.
#80
safety on verm for now.
#81
1. Mashi
2. SlowPokemon
3. bubbles
4. MaestroUGC
5. Dude
6. blueflower999
7. FSM
8. vermillionvermin
9. universe-x
10. the_last_sheikah
11. Spyro


So we're down to 10 people and it's day 1, and this is how I see the list right now. Reds are particularly heavy suspicions, purple are regular suspicions, oranges are just lackluster in suspicion, but I still have my eye on them.

And it must be obvious that I'm freakin' confused because my purples are quite contradictory to what's been going on.

I was gonna make this really analytic post whilst conversing with verm and mashi, but I forgot about what I was gonna say.
Except for this- the reaction test, in my opinion, should be disregarded. It didn't help for shit. In fact, I think it may have just made us more confused in the IRC room (except for verm who says he believes Mashi and I are human, so he came to somewhat of a conclusion, I guess).

Mashi- I'm suspicious of you, partly because of a weird gut feeling. My other parts say that you reacted a little too angry at that post and I could be backwards about this, but it just seemed a bit too much to me. Especially in how quick you were to call all of us out on following a bandwagon suspicion. But hey, I'm just reiterating earlier suspicions about "the way you talk", and because that's really not a valid argument to make, I'm leaving you at purple. o not only that, but the whole Spyro wolfing thing could have been you because of the manti rule (if that means "take out the weak", I didn't feel like looking it up). However, that could've easily been you, or Maestro, or Dude, or verm, or even me. So I'll leave you at purple.

Vermillion- What the hell man, lol. Okay, I'm more suspicious about you than Mashi at this point. After that log, I'd probably say that the reaction test you made was to try and steer away attention from you, if anything. There are 4 possible standards of reaction on the wolves' part that we discussed:

Hypothetical/Night 1 theories
1) If either Mashi or I were wolves, we wouldn't wolf the other or you because that would lead to suspicion on our parts as wolves.
2) If neither of us were wolves, then the wolves would've wolfed one of us in order to make suspicion of the other. And I don't see how that would work out, because there would be a clusterfuck of mixed feelings about that.

Realistic/Day 1 theories
3) The wolves didn't see the accusation before sending in a wolf for Spyro.
4) The wolves did see it and wolfed Spyro to throw everyone off, which seems to be the most likely to happen, to me at least. Because it definitely threw us off and into this loop of "Screw you!" "No, screw you!" and it was just really unnecessary.

Not only that, but for all I know, you could've been actually accusing us of something to steer away attention (as a wolf)(as absurd as your propagation was) and then you backed away from it once Mashi and I pointed out how weird that post was. A cop-out, in essence, which I still believe to be a distinct possibility. And obviously from the log, you even went as far enough to say that we were humans. Not to mention, you also made quick accusations in the log (i.e. "that came off as wolfy" when I started to support someone), which ironically enough, came off as wolfy to me. However, these could all be human gestures as well, so I'm leaving you at purple.

blueflower999- Despite discussions and stuff, I do think you're a bit more on the wolfy side when you go so quick to claim Mashi as a wolf with that paltry justification post. However, I can't be too hard on you, considering I pulled that type of reasoning on you in the first place. Maybe I should leave you at purple, but I'm too tired.

FSM- I believe you are human, simply because the whole language barrier and stuff would show us that you're a wolf. But hey, I could be wrong and you might prove it to us yourself if that's the case. It is only Day 1 anyways.

sheikah- I believe you to be human as well, simply because of easily you were going to offer yourself like that. And if you're human, I wouldn't want you suiciding like that, especially when it's not a 2 on 10 and with stakes (and confusion) like this, it's fairly easy for the human party to decrease.

Just my 2ยข.
#82
^this so I can contemplate on who to vote for and hopefully talk to some people. Cuz I won't be able to decide in 10 minutes without bandwagoning UGC, and I really don't wanna do that.
#83
Yeah, spitllama should replace shadow btw
#84
safety on me til I get to reading everything I missed.
#85
Thanks, these logs help a lot :P
#86
^here vermillion
#87
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18:16   Maestro   Well, now what?
18:20   universe-X   Calm down, wolf.
18:20   Maestro   Well, what are your theories?
18:21   universe-X   idk
18:21   universe-X   this game's following along just as I figured
18:21   universe-X   which isn't a good thing.
18:21   Maestro   Yeah.
18:21   Maestro   In what little has happened, Verm has peaked my interest.
18:22   universe-X   Same
18:22   universe-X   He seems like someone that sorta broke under pressure.
18:22   Maestro   I'm not sure if it was him trying to get a discussion going, or him trying to bait some to take the fall.
18:22   Maestro   What pressure though, the game had just started and he did that during the first night.
18:23   universe-X   Idk, just saying
18:23   universe-X   if he is a wolf, he's trying to steer away attention a little too hard.
18:23   universe-X   same goes if he was a human, which is also a possibility.
18:24   universe-X   And like you said, wolves wanna stay on top in this game.
18:24   Maestro   I fhe is a wolf, maybe he was looking for someone to pop up that would lokk suspicious.
18:25   universe-X   lol, doesn't mean you go after something that, imo, is the least suspicious scenario
18:25   Maestro   True, well, It might be a good idea to keep an eye on him.
18:26   universe-X   I'll keep my safety.
18:26   Maestro   What about the Spyro wolfing?
18:26   Maestro   He's a relatively harmless player from what I've seen.
18:26   universe-X   Noob wolfed, like someone suggested.
18:26   universe-X   There's supposed to be a pattern for that isn't there?
18:27   universe-X   Like in past games where the first to get wolfed was the most harmless?
18:27   Maestro   Sometimes.
18:28   universe-X   I'm too lazy to look into those games, lol.
18:28   Maestro   But, besides FSM, everyone here has some good experience under their belt.
18:28   universe-X   lol, I must've missed quite a few games.
18:28   universe-X   I believe FSM is a human though.
18:29   Maestro   Yeah, he hasn't done anything that stands out to me.
18:29   universe-X   lol, plus the whole language barrier thing makes it sorta easy to tell when he's lying or spazzing out.
18:30   Maestro   Somebody said that our wolves could be experienced and went after a non-threat to throw us off.
18:31   universe-X   I wonder...
18:31   universe-X   Mashi and Slowpokemon
18:31   universe-X   lol, that would be weird though.
18:32   Maestro   I don't know, Slow did make a plea not to be wolfed night 1.
18:32   Maestro   Last time he acted like that was the last game, when he was a wolf.
18:32   universe-X   I figured as much.
18:33   Maestro   Twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern.
18:33   universe-X   Did wolves win last game?
18:33   Maestro   Nope.
18:34   Maestro   I made damn sure of that.
18:34   universe-X   lol, that's what I thought.
18:35   Maestro   I posted to try a get people over here.
18:35   Maestro   We need to see how people react to various ideas.
18:35   universe-X   yeah, lol
18:35   universe-X   thanks
18:36   universe-X   I think Mashi might be up to a few shenanigans
18:36   universe-X   or K-Night
18:36   universe-X   or SlowPokemon
18:36   universe-X   3 candidates for 2 wolves lol
18:36   Maestro   K-Night is not playing.
18:36   Maestro   He was just being dumb.
18:37   universe-X   ...go fucking figure.
18:37   universe-X   anyways
18:37   universe-X   Mashi's post like:
18:37   universe-X   omg thx wuff buddy ilu
18:37   universe-X   and Slow's post like:
18:37   universe-X   SUCCESS
18:37   universe-X   could just be them playing dumb as wolves.
18:37   Maestro   That was reffering to the fact that he survived.
18:37   Maestro   Very probable.
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18:39      *** kermit is now known as Blueflower999
18:39   universe-X   reveal yourself
18:39   Maestro   Yeah, Slow seems like a good suspect at this point, much more that Verm is anyway.
18:39   universe-X   ah
18:39   universe-X   wolf.
18:39   Maestro   Oh boy, the gang's all here.
18:39   universe-X   yeah, I'm leaning more towards Mashi though.
18:39   universe-X   either way, the've both been appropriately under the radar.
18:40   Maestro   Mashi hasn't struck me as overtly wolfish.
18:40   Blueflower999   Mashi's acting... a littler strange
18:40   universe-X   that could just be Mashi
18:40   Blueflower999   He always acts a bit like this, but now it feels like he's over the top
18:40   universe-X   or Mashi playing dumb as a wolf.
18:40   Blueflower999   I think it's a lot more than usual
18:40   Maestro   I guess, I want to see if it keeps up.
18:40   universe-X   Steering away attention like crazy, but that could just be paranoia.
18:41   Maestro   Mashi's not the paranoid type.
18:41   Blueflower999   Normally Mashi has some long post explaining his reasoning...
18:41   universe-X   I'm talking about my paranoia.
18:41   Blueflower999   Now he has... lots of short posts with "jokes"
18:42   Maestro   True, but then again, nothing has happened.
18:42   universe-X   lol, except for Spyro's wolfing
18:42   Maestro   Although, he didn't react towards sheikah's theory about an experienced wolfing.
18:42   universe-X   and like you said, advanced players would wolf unexperienced ones to throw us off.
18:42   universe-X   and then
18:42   Blueflower999   Well, he does admit he doesn't follow the manti rule...
18:42   universe-X   Slow's almost instant reaction
18:42   universe-X   with "SUCCESS"
18:42   universe-X   I mean,
18:43   universe-X   why would a human post that.
18:43   universe-X   ._.
18:43   Maestro   Like I said, the last time he did stuff like that was when he was a wolf.
18:43   Maestro   And I busted him in the third act.
18:44   universe-X   I'm considering changing my safety to a vote on slow now, lol.
18:45   universe-X   any thoughts on anything, blue?
18:47   Blueflower999   Oh
18:47   Blueflower999   Hmm...
18:48   Blueflower999   I think Slow... was talking about the card flip?
18:48   Blueflower999   It not then... IDK
18:48   Blueflower999   But... he'd know better than to say that if he were a wolf
18:48   Blueflower999   I think he was joking
18:48   universe-X   idk
18:48   Blueflower999   Mashi I'm more suspicious of
18:49   universe-X   maybe he'd know better, but probably not.
18:49   universe-X   and yeah, Mashi's caught my eye too
18:49   universe-X   What do you think of vermillion?
18:49   Blueflower999   He seems normal to me
18:50   Blueflower999   He's not joking around like Mashi is
18:50   Blueflower999   Or at least not as much
18:50   universe-X   lol, idk, he seemed a little too apprehensive
18:50   Maestro   He's the only one I've seen trying to get this game going.
18:51   universe-X   True,
18:51   universe-X   but then again
18:51   universe-X   wolves might want activity like that lol.
18:51   Maestro   No, they wouldn't. The less activity, the better they can hide.
18:51   Blueflower999   But if you're a GOOD wolf, then you want activity that you can hide in...
18:52   universe-X   like Mashi and Slow
18:52   universe-X   wat.
18:52   Blueflower999   If you can lead people without messing up, then those are the best wolves
18:52   Blueflower999   Spit can do that
18:53   Maestro   They've both proved that they are active, but their not stepping up, like Mashi usually does.
18:53   universe-X   Yeah.
18:54   universe-X   I say, if we're planning on voting for someone, we should make it unanimous here first.
18:54   Blueflower999   They would certainly make an interesting and dangerous wolf pair...
18:54   universe-X   ^this
18:54   Blueflower999   I've got my eye on them
18:54   universe-X   This is the only reason why i think they might /not/ be a wolf
18:54   universe-X   *one of them might not be
18:55   Maestro   Well, slow has proven undying loyalty towards mashi, regardless of affiliation.
18:55   Maestro   He'll follow whatever Mashi says 100%.
18:55   universe-X   So then Mashi would then be a somewhat better suspect
18:55   universe-X   but Slow's reaction to the wolfing is still throwing me off a little.
18:56   Maestro   Let's see, if Mashi is our wolf, then slow will follow whatever arguments and votes he makes.
18:57   Maestro   Making him rather dangerous if he survives later into the game.
18:58   universe-X   If he's lynched, it'll be easier to make presumptions about the game considering it's a cardflip.
18:58   Maestro   Yeah.
18:59   Maestro   Wait, last game he was worried about Mashi surviving.
18:59   Maestro   This game he's worried about himself.
18:59   universe-X   Wait, who were wolves last game?
19:00   Maestro   Slow, Shadowkirby, and...
19:00   Maestro   Spit
19:00   universe-X   Why was he worried about Mashi surviving last game?
19:01   Maestro   Loyalty.
19:01   Maestro   Plus he wasn't concerned about himself, since he was a wolf.
19:01   universe-X   I'd figure he'd be a little concerned.
19:01   universe-X   I mean,
19:01   universe-X   he was a wolf.
19:02   Maestro   Exactly, he wouldn't be wolfed.
19:03   Maestro   He played on looking innocent by trying to "protect" Mashi, who was leading the humans.
19:03   Maestro   I think Slow is human.
19:04   universe-X   However
19:04   universe-X   There've been no accusations towards either of them as of yet.
19:04   universe-X   Nothing serious, anyways.
19:04   Maestro   No.
19:04   universe-X   ?
19:04   Maestro   I'm agreeing with what you just said.
19:05   universe-X   Oh lol
19:05   universe-X   So yeah, no point in unncessarily protecting mashi in that case
19:05   universe-X   for now.
19:05   universe-X   Hmm,
19:05   universe-X   maybe if I were to accuse Mashi, Slow might speak up?
19:05   Maestro   You're missing what I'm saying.
19:06   universe-X   I probably am.
19:06   Maestro   Slow was only concerned with the wolfings, not the llynchings.
19:06   Maestro   He knows Mashi can take care of himself in that regard.
19:06   universe-X   Oooh,  I see.
19:07   Maestro   That's why I think Slow is human.
19:08   Maestro   All that said, I want to see how Mashi reacts to an accusation.
19:11   universe-X   I wish vermin posted a longer chat session with Mashi
19:13   Maestro   I'm guessing there was stuff that was left out?
19:14   universe-X   Most likely
19:14   universe-X   And that stuff would've given a better lead.
19:14   universe-X   And now that makes me suspicious about vermillion again.
19:14   Maestro   Even still, Mashi hardly reacted towards what he did post.
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19:14   universe-X   o look, another wolf.
19:14   K-NiGhT   Yup
19:15   Blueflower999   ...
19:15   universe-X   And yeah, there wasn't that much reaction.
19:15   K-NiGhT   I'm zee wolf guise  I can't lie like that. It's not healthy.
19:15   Blueflower999   That's the worst reaction teset ever
19:15   universe-X   Maybe that's him trying to stay under the radar.
19:16   Maestro   It may be the worst, but it still should've prompted something.
19:16   Maestro   At least an "obvious bait is obvious"
19:16   universe-X   Possibly too chill for his own good.
19:19   Maestro   Well, if Mashi is a wolf, who's his partner?
19:20   universe-X   Yeah, if he's a wolf then, vermillion can't be the other one
19:20   universe-X   or vice versa.
19:22   Maestro   Yeah, verm wouldn't be so foolish as to accuse his partner night 1.
19:22   universe-X   I'm on the fence about voting either of them right now.
19:23   Maestro   I think Mashi's our best bet, at least until we hear somethin from him.
19:23   universe-X   Shall I accuse him?
19:24   Maestro   Only if you're prepared for a showdown.
19:24   universe-X   Sure, why not.
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19:24   universe-X   I want action
#88
After some discussion, I shall place a vote on Mashi for now.
#89
I'll be in #twgnsm.

Join me.