TWG XXXVI: The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya

[Bubbles]

Voting now because I wont be here later...
U-X
Because of my earlier suspicions. I dont want to vote sheikah just incase it actually happens, since I wont be able to join the chat later and get more info on everyone

[universe-X]

They are the most active players, the ones most commonly posting here and in the chat.Thats how I talk, or would you rather me talk to you like I did to sprog YOU F***ING A**HOLE!!!

lol, calm down. That was a one time incident and you seem to be brutally traumatized by it xD

Have you ever seen the last few episodes of Red vs. Blue, season 8?  After wounding Church, Tex moves him into an area near a perfect sniping spot.  Agent Washington stops short of the area because he notices the obvious plan.  Doc then comments that maybe Tex knew he would notice this trap, and stop short.  Almost immediately, land mines right under them explode.
How is this relevant?  Perhaps our wolf knew you would suspect me for a blue wolfing, and would lynch me right away.  Whoever planed this plays like you.  If you still think I'm a wolf, so be it.  But I want you to re-evaluate your allies and think, who would play this game by getting in your head and staying a few steps ahead.  This is a smart wolf, we can't ignore anything from anyone.  That is all.

You know what this reminds me of? Reminds me of that murderer who was also a news reporter and got arrested because he knew way too much about the crime otherwise. And what a better way to top it off than calling yourself smart. Just saying, lol, this could also be a possibility.

However, I think we're ignoring 2 elements of suspicion here: 1) Who could/has collaborated with Dude? (i.e. can we link anyone with Dude?) and 2) Who would be smart enough as to throw us off by wolfing 2 suspects that are just so... out there?

[Mashi]

TWC Post

   Hugo   no twg suck
   Vera   out out out out out out out out out
   Hugo   nope
   Vera   wait actually
   Vera   you said no twg suck
   Hugo   *no, twg suck
   Vera   that means youre saying that twg does not suck
   Vera   NOPE.
   Vera   TOO LATE.

[FSM-Reapr]

Safety on Slow

[SlowPokemon]

TWC Post

   Hugo   no twg suck
   Vera   out out out out out out out out out
   Hugo   nope
   Vera   wait actually
   Vera   you said no twg suck
   Hugo   *no, twg suck
   Vera   that means youre saying that twg does not suck
   Vera   NOPE.
   Vera   TOO LATE.

^Relevant

Safety on Slow

Should you really be safetying at this point in the game? Just a question.

[FSM-Reapr]

I don't want to vote nobody without a reason, that's why safety. And I'm busy tomorrow.

[the_last_sheikah]

lol, calm down. That was a one time incident and you seem to be brutally traumatized by it xD

It was a joke.  It's funny.  It's ok to laugh.

[FSM-Reapr]

It's funny.  It's ok to laugh.

I see what you did there.

[MaestroUGC]

Chat Party right now! Come, join us! Join or die.

[Mashi]

First three people to join receive op from none other than the honoured and preeminent MaestroUGC!!!
And also don't die, as stated previously.

[the_last_sheikah]

Verm
details in the chat log to be posted by mashi or maestro soon enough.

[Mashi]

wait what

[21:53]   -->|   sheikah (Mibbit@NF-3743C791.cl.ri.cox.net) has joined #TWGNSM
[21:53]   sheikah   sorry Im late
[21:53]   Vera   
[21:53]   =-=   YOU are now known as MaestroUGC
[21:53]   =-=   Mode #TWGNSM +o sheikah by MaestroUGC
[21:53]   =-=   YOU are now known as Vera
[21:53]   =-=   User mode for Vera is now +r
[21:53]   sheikah   Im confused, yet flattered
[21:54]   Vera   So, sheikah!
[21:54]   Vera   You are currently the most suspicious person in the game.
[21:54]   Vera   What do you have to say for yourself???
[21:54]   sheikah   hold on
[21:57]   sheikah   im back, sorry, my mom decided that right then was a good time to have me tell her my schedual for the week
[21:57]   sheikah   anyways
[21:58]   Maestro   I'm giving op left and right.
[21:58]   Vera   It's okay.
[21:58]   Vera   lol
[21:58]   Maestro   And at least one up.
[21:58]   Vera   
[21:58]   sheikah   I dont know why you guy find my wolfing analysis suspicious, is it cause I put it up before anyone else does? or am I being to vague?
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[21:59]   universe-X   hello
[21:59]   sheikah   greetings
[22:00]   universe-X   what goes on
[22:00]   Maestro   We're talking about sheikah
[22:00]   sheikah   well, Im being interogated, and maestro is handing out OP like its candy from a van
[22:00]   universe-X   technically it was
[22:00]   sheikah   so not much, the useuall
[22:00]   universe-X   first to get here got op
[22:01]   universe-X   lol
[22:01]   Maestro   I read that as use-you-all.
[22:01]   universe-X   same
[22:01]   sheikah   ok so I cant spell, sue me.
[22:02]   Maestro   Ok, here's an affidavit.
[22:02]   universe-X   how was the interrogation
[22:02]   sheikah   I dont know, it barely sarted
[22:03]   universe-X   oh
[22:03]   sheikah   *started
[22:03]   Maestro   Anyway, about your post.
[22:03]   sheikah   what about it
[22:03]   Maestro   It was both vague and precise.
[22:04]   Maestro   Vague with the accusations, yet precise with a sort of "master plan".
[22:05]   sheikah   yeah, because not puting someone on the spot and revealing a "master plan" would be a HIGHLY logical thing for a single wolf to do
[22:06]   universe-X   sorta yeah
[22:06]   Maestro   It gives people a springboard for discussion
[22:06]   sheikah   yes
[22:06]   Maestro   And you can leave it to others to refute it.
[22:07]   sheikah   cause I really dont have time this game, Ive got 12 hours of band camp week starting tomorrow, so it doesnt really matter to me if I die
[22:08]   Maestro   You've said that already.
[22:08]   sheikah   You guys are all so sure of each other, I cant tell whats what with anyone with out being called out on for
[22:08]   sheikah   and every convo goes in the same circle,
[22:09]   Maestro   I haven't called you out, I'm just stating what your post made me think.
[22:09]   Maestro   I don't blame you for wanting to get a discussion going.
[22:09]   sheikah   verm called me out, both times
[22:10]   Maestro   Speaking of which, where is he?
[22:10]   universe-X   Verm's bouncy like that
[22:10]   Vera   vermilionvermin is busy with something for a few days, I believe.
[22:10]   universe-X   as far as calling out goes
[22:13]   universe-X   sooo
[22:14]   Maestro   I'm waiting for you to finish that thought.
[22:14]   sheikah   both times I made a satement making an observation about the wolfing, and for people to think more closely about it, and both times verm accused me of being vague and precise, like you said before
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[22:15]   Maestro   Good, he's supposed to be dead anyway.
[22:15]   sheikah   amen to that
[22:17]   sheikah   can I ask a question, why are we all so sure of verm and mashi exactly? I dont remember any sure evidence to prove them one way or another, they just seemed to start leading and everyone followed
[22:17]   sheikah   just wondering
[22:18]   Maestro   Oh I'm not sure of either right now.
[22:18]   sheikah   cause honestly, i think verm might be the great duper in all of this
[22:18]   Maestro   Verm's been really jumpy with the lynchings.
[22:19]   sheikah   yes, duper is now a word
[22:19]   Vera   vermilionvermin isn't the type to lynch his own partner.
[22:19]   Vera   Especially not Day 1.
[22:19]   Maestro   I'm starting to trust Mashi a bit more now, though.
[22:19]   Vera   And especially not when someone else is offering oneself to lynch oneself (SlowPokemon).
[22:19]   Vera   offering to lynch oneself*
[22:19]   Maestro   Trye, but he was pushing to lynch Slow when all was said and done.
[22:19]   Maestro   True*
[22:20]   sheikah   but was it his decision? did he say lynch dude? I dont remember.
[22:20]   Vera   He voted for Doodle in the end though!
[22:20]   Vera   If we lynched SlowPokemon.
[22:20]   Vera   He probably would have put the most cause on me.
[22:20]   universe-X   Voting Dude to seem human shouldn't be excluded as a thought.
[22:21]   Vera   Since I was finding suspicious things for him left and right.
[22:21]   Vera   It's Day 1.
[22:21]   Vera   And there's a perfect candidate for lynching.
[22:21]   Maestro   And since Dude was a wolf, and he's useless when he's gone.
[22:21]   Maestro   Might as well get him out of the way.
[22:21]   Vera   That would be ridiculously foolish.
[22:21]   Vera   A partner is still a partner.
[22:21]   sheikah   like ive said, we have an experienced wolf on our hands
[22:21]   universe-X   idk
[22:21]   Maestro   Before people wanted to lynch him for dead ends.
[22:21]   Vera   And like I said, vermilionvermin isn't the type to lynch his own partner like that.
[22:21]   universe-X   it's happened before.
[22:22]   Maestro   This game is all about playing against the type.
[22:22]   Vera   Perhaps.
[22:23]   Vera   But people almost never cross their self-restrictions.
[22:23]   sheikah   he was the first to dismis the person who was wolfed as having "absolutely nothing we can learn from it"
[22:23]   Maestro   Stranger things have happened.
[22:24]   universe-X   I have to take a shower
[22:24]   Maestro   All I'm saying it's a possibility we shouldn't overlook.
[22:24]   universe-X   so
[22:24]   universe-X   brb
[22:24]   sheikah   k bai
[22:25]   Maestro   Ok, so what's the pattern here.
[22:25]   Maestro   Spyro then Blue.
[22:25]   sheikah   inexperience, then outcast
[22:25]   sheikah   thoes who didnt contribute too much
[22:25]   Maestro   Spyro isn't much of a TWGer, and Blue has had nothing to do in the game.
[22:26]   Vera   I agree with sheikah that these wolfings are far from conventional and that it's most likely between Maestro, you, vermilionvermin, and me.
[22:26]   sheikah   people who would be harder to manipulate
[22:26]   Vera   Because we're probably the most likely to play unconventionally.
[22:26]   Maestro   Mmm, that really depends on each person, sheikah.
[22:27]   sheikah   but the wolf wants us to argue
[22:27]   sheikah   that way, we can be swayed
[22:27]   Vera   Also, has Bubbles ever played any games related to TWG or Mafia before?
[22:27]   sheikah   not that I know of?
[22:27]   Vera   Hmm.
[22:27]   sheikah   what are you thinking?
[22:28]   Maestro   I don't think so.
[22:28]   Maestro   She and FSM are the only ones who don't know anything about TWG or us as players.
[22:29]   Vera   Well, Bubbles claims to have had trouble with concepts.
[22:29]   Maestro   But Bubbles can't be held accountable for Spyro.
[22:29]   Maestro   That would've been Shadow and Dude.
[22:29]   Vera   But reading her few posts and her chat posts, she seems to be playing rather skillfully for her first game.
[22:29]   sheikah   imo, the general thing any new wolf would do, is go for the most experienced players first, video game logic
[22:30]   Maestro   I don't think it's so much that she's not good, but just needs clarification.
[22:30]   Vera   Ah.
[22:30]   Maestro   I mean, TWG isn't a terribly complicated game.
[22:30]   sheikah   mashi, remember my first game, i played tricky even though id never heard of the game before
[22:30]   Vera   True.
[22:30]   Maestro   It's just the social aspects that throw people off.
[22:32]   Vera   sheikah, who are you suspicious of?
[22:33]   sheikah   right now, verm
[22:33]   Vera   Why's that?
[22:33]   sheikah   when does this phase end?
[22:33]   Vera   Sometime tomorrow.
[22:33]   Vera   9:30PM EST tomorrow.
[22:35]   sheikah   because, he dismised information from a wolfing, he does what he says i do that makes me a wolf, and hes playing this game almost too well, he seems to be pulling a lot of you guyses strings
[22:36]   Maestro   I wouldn't say that.
[22:36]   sheikah   which
[22:36]   Vera   Where did he dismiss information from a wolfing?
[22:36]   sheikah   the first wolfing
[22:36]   sheikah   absolutely nothing we can learn from it
[22:36]   Maestro   There've been a few things I've disagreed with him on.
[22:36]   sheikah   QFT
[22:37]   Maestro   I remember that.
[22:37]   Vera   wat
[22:37]   Maestro   I remember thinking that was a bunch of crap.
[22:37]   Vera   The first wolfing was like what he based his entire suspicion on me from!
[22:37]   Vera   That and the PM.
[22:37]   Maestro   No, he based that off of circumstantial evidence.
[22:37]   Vera   ya
[22:38]   sheikah   "Spyro's an interesting choice of kill in that there is absolutely nothing we can learn from it. He didn't post once in the thread, and as far as I know didn't talk to anyone."
[22:38]   Maestro   Spyro getting wolfed just seemed off hand enough that you'd do it.
[22:38]   sheikah   then he saftyed maestro
[22:38]   Vera   I think that can be attributed more to his not ever playing with Spyro.
[22:39]   sheikah   ok i agree with the off hand coment
[22:39]   Vera   Since he feels that the wolfing heeds no information.
[22:39]   sheikah   but it gives LOADS of info
[22:40]   Vera   I wouldn't say loads.
[22:40]   Vera   But yes, it does give us a few things.
[22:40]   Vera   However, it's only one wolfing.
[22:40]   sheikah   ok exageration, but you get the idea
[22:40]   Vera   There are many possibilities to derive from it.
[22:40]   Vera   And we can't necessarily single one out Day 1.
[22:40]   Maestro   But we tried to give him info on Spyro.
[22:40]   Vera   But yeah, I know what you mean.
[22:41]   Maestro   And he didn't pursue it.
[22:41]   sheikah   but with a crazy mind, like mine, you can get atleast a start on the posibilities
[22:41]   Vera   Mmm.
[22:41]   Vera   Anyhow.
[22:41]   Vera   Any other suspicions, sheikah?
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[22:41]   Vera   omg k-night
[22:41]   Vera   wuff buddyyy
[22:42]   K-NiGhT   shhhhh seekrit
[22:42]   Vera   
[22:42]   sheikah   not really, if I had to say anyone seemed odd, it'd be U-X, but thats cause Ive never played with him before
[22:42]   K-NiGhT   Don't mind me i'm just here to watch the festivities ;$
[22:42]   Maestro   U-X would be bold enough to try stuff like this.
[22:42]   Maestro   He's crazy like fox in a hen house.
[22:43]   sheikah   I wouldnt know that
[22:43]   sheikah   and that sounds fun
[22:43]   Maestro   I've played with him.
[22:44]   sheikah   and this means...?
[22:44]   Maestro   Back during my first run of TWG, we caused all kind sof greif.
[22:45]   Maestro   Him jumping to conclusions and my just being belligerent.
[22:45]   sheikah   ok, and what does this have to do with the price of gasoline?
[22:46]   Maestro   What about petrol?
[22:46]   sheikah   exactly
[22:47]   Maestro   My point is, I wouldn't put it past him.
[22:48]   sheikah   ok, but I still put verm ahead of him imo
[22:49]   sheikah   Im going to have to leave in about 5 mins, its almost 11 PM here, and Ive gotta get up early
[22:50]   Maestro   Ok.
[22:50]   Maestro   Goodnight.
[22:50]   sheikah   final thoughts while Im still here
[22:50]   Maestro   I'm wary of Verm, but I want to talk to him first.
[22:50]   Maestro   Still unsure about Slow.
[22:50]   Vera   Good night, sheikah.
[22:51]   sheikah   i agree about slow, he played similar to me, but more extreame, kinda
[22:51]   sheikah   mashi, that sounds like a fan fic title
[22:52]   sheikah   or a childerens book
[22:52]   Vera   Hahahaha.
[22:52]   Vera   writes said book.
[22:52]   Maestro   I'll publish it.
[22:52]   sheikah   shut up and take my money!
[22:52]   Vera   thx
[22:53]   sheikah   speaking of which, Im still waiting for that NSM zelda story to get started
[22:55]   Vera   oi
[22:55]   Vera   this game is frustrating
[22:55]   Vera   too many people seem human
[22:55]   Vera   ahhh
[22:56]   Maestro   That's a good thing, on a meta level right?
[22:56]   sheikah   well Ive gotta go, someone post this in the thread, cause Ive gotta put a vote in now, cause I may or may not be on tomorrow, depends if I can get a shirt for my gary oak costume for character day, any who, G'nite my lovlies
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[22:57]   Maestro   Man, things have changed since I was in high school.
[22:57]   Maestro   They force you to cosplay now.
[22:57]   Vera   
[22:57]   sheikah   its band camp
[22:57]   sheikah   AND I LOVE IT!
[22:57]   Maestro   Oh, nevermind.
[22:57]   Vera   i would cosplay as someone cool
[22:57]   Maestro   You're getting off easy then.
[22:57]   Vera   like
[22:57]   Vera   charles claythorne
[22:57]   Vera   wait a minute
[22:58]   Vera   But anyhow, good night, sheikah!
[22:58]   sheikah   bye bye
[22:58]   Maestro   Bye.
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[22:59]   Maestro   And then there was two.
[22:59]   Vera   wat
[22:59]   Vera   he voted for verm
[22:59]   Maestro   I guess which should get the log up, huh?
[22:59]   Vera   Yeah, I'll post it.

[Bubbles]

Haha Im playing skillfully? Thats reassuring...I feel like I have no idea what Im doing

[vermilionvermin]

I'm feeling pretty confident about sheikah being the wolf.  The fact that he drops his belief that none of mashi, me, u-x, or maestro is a wolf because I accused him of being one is rather questionable, to say the least, and there doesn't seem to be any huge epiphany that goes on between those two sentiments. I'm not sure exactly what he thinks I'm doing that's similar to him.  Also the fact that He doesn't see why I'm pretty much a confirmed human along with mashi would explain why blueflower died.  If he sees FSM and bubbles as new, Maestro and U-X as suspect because of their votes against the dude lynch, and mashi and I as not clear, blueflower makes sense as a wolfing.  Oh and slow can be seen as suspicious for trying to die in place of dude.  For any wolf who didn't realize that mashi and I are nearly confirmed humans, shiekah would be a much more logical wolfing because he was generally less suspected than blue and a perceptually greater threat than the guy who just escaped a KitB and the players in their first few games.

This is along with the fact that I don't understand his initial justification for not suspecting us four and that having three suspects is incredibly convenient for a wolf.

Apparently I have to defend myself as well, which I think is a little silly.  As a wolf with dude, I wouldn't have voted for him unless absolutely necessary, like in SIPC, where it would be suspicious if I didn't.  And even if you don't buy me on that account, then the blueflower wolfing doesn't make sense at all.  Instead of killing mashi, someone who would also be near-clear and a potential threat to find me out as he knows me better than any other player, I would have killed a somewhat suspicious blueflower.  And finally, if my master plan was to throw dude under the bus, I wouldnt have waited until the last minute of day phase.  I would have just supported lynching dude over slow in the first place.

[FSM-Reapr]

Sheikah for reasons Verm said.