TWG 78: Troll-tan's Great Adventure

[Maelstrom]

Well, for 2 reasons.....
1. We'd find out if you are human
2. Maelstrom.....be lynched?

^I don't entirely see why mlf is being left entirely out of this discussion either, though.
And what if either of us happens to have a bullet proof vest?

[the_last_sheikah]

I'm interrogating him now aren't I?

And that's where my original plan would take place, if we shoot someone with a bullet proof vest, then lynch them, if its the wolf we win, if its a human, we live to see another day phase.God, does anyone ever read my plans?

[Bird]

Alright, here's my thinking on the remaining players:

Bird - Confirmed human.
Maelstrom - Voted to seer me on n1 when I wasn't painted. Pretty much confirmed to be human through this.
mariolegofan - Shot at Maestro immediately. Pretty much confirmed to be a human through this.
sqwirrel - Shot at Maestro immediately. Pretty much confirmed to be a human through this.

That leaves the_last_sheikah. I don't see any other options really.

[Maelstrom]

To tell the truth, shooting someone practically confirmed to be a wolf or at least someone suspicious immediately would not prove someone human. Inexperienced wolves can be all to quick to bandwagon against suspected partners.

[the_last_sheikah]

Spoiler

   *** Lommy joined #NSMTWG
22:35      *** charmander joined #NSMTWG
22:35      *** charmander is now known as Bird
22:35   Sheikah   wait, oh ok bird
22:36   Sheikah   i was confused for a second
22:36   Bird   
22:36   Bird   so let's see here...
22:36   Sheikah   Lommy what'chu doing here?
22:36   Bird   you suspect maelstrom
22:36   Bird   why is that?
22:37   Sheikah   well, first, he attempted to seer me after BDS said it would be a bad idea, and I agree with BDS
22:37      *** Lommy quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
22:38   Sheikah   second, the striked out comment he made could be taken in a freudian slip kinda way
22:38   Bird   why did bds say seering you would be a bad idea
22:38   Sheikah   other than that, gut
22:38   Sheikah   one sec, let me see
22:38   Sheikah   Also, don't seer Sheikah. I'm not sure if he's a human or not, but I think he's likely to be painted at this point; I would personally recommend lynching or shooting him (probably lynch if you don't get a red result) just to make sure.
22:39   Sheikah   said right before he died
22:39   Sheikah   page 14
22:39   Bird   of course, if people took his advice, the wolves wouldn't need to bother painting him
22:39   Bird   maybe that's what maelstrom was counting on
22:39   Bird   or maybe he totally forgot about all the painting stuff!
22:40   Bird   Anyway, he has something very important going in his favor, from my point of view.
22:40   Sheikah   ok, but what if hes the wolf, paints/seers me?
22:40   Bird   He voted to seer me on n1.
22:40   Bird   Why would a wolf do that? If he were a wolf voting to seer me, he would have painted me red as well.
22:41   Sheikah   so he tried to get on your good side early game, thats a tactic
22:41   Sheikah   and
22:41   Sheikah   if humans have someone to rally around, that makes it easier for him to get in good with the humans
22:42   Sheikah   i.e. you
22:42   Bird   wait hmm
22:42   Bird   let me think about this
22:42   Bird   do we actually know for sure who voted to seer me on day 1?
22:42   Bird   those players are all confirmed humans, but i think there are more people claiming to have done it than there are votes for it.
22:42   Sheikah   mind all of this, MLF isn't out of the question either
22:43   Sheikah   but that is also a very good point
22:43   Bird   yeah only two people actually voted for me
22:43   Bird   but maelstrom, bds, and maestro all said they voted for me
22:44   Sheikah   BOOM
22:44   Sheikah   one fool, one confirmed wolf
22:45   Sheikah   I don't actually know what this proves
22:45   Bird   maestro is the most likely to be lying about this
22:45   Bird   but who did he actually vote for then
22:45   Bird   that player is probably also human
22:45   Sheikah   Latios212 - 4 the_last_sheikah - 3 Bird - 2 MaestroUGC - 1
22:45   Sheikah   thats the spread
22:45   Bird   oh wait i'm just confused
22:46   Bird   i forgot that the fool had an additional seer
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22:46   Bird   alright guess that didn't prove anything after all
22:46   Bird   so let me go into detail as to why i'm suspicious of you
22:46   Sheikah   he seerd Maestro remember?
22:46   Sheikah   the fool BDS
22:46   Bird   there's really just one major mark against you
22:47   Bird   the yugi shooting
22:47   Sheikah   that was a heavily unfortunate mistake on my part
22:47   Bird   I think that you, as a wolf, were worried that the popular BDS target would flip human (you didn't know he was the fool of course).
22:47   Bird   So you wanted to look like you never wanted to lynch BDS anyway. You said you wanted to shoot Yugi thinking there would no way it would actually happen
22:47   Sheikah   I was very busy last week
22:48   Bird   I think a busy human would just go with the flow of the game, to be honest.
22:49   Bird   Do we know who voted to seer who on night 2?
22:49   Sheikah   I have a history of playing rather...unorthodox methods
22:50   Sheikah   I didnt vote, I was with my girlfriend and forgot about the game
22:50   Bird   Also, I think MLF and sqwirrel are both human due to being really willing to shooting Maestro.
22:51   Bird   So yeah, from my point of view that really just leaves you.
22:52   Sheikah   I understand this, but you are incorrect
22:53   Bird   Well, feel free to make a case against any of the other players!
22:54   Sheikah   I agree sqwerrels is probably human
22:55   Sheikah   MLF could also be the wolf as bandwagoning on 2 agreed deaths would win him the game
22:55   Sheikah   you are human, no argument there
22:55   Sheikah   I know I'm human
22:55   Sheikah   and I've stated my case for Mael already
22:56   Bird   I don't know that your case against maelstrom is very clear to people in the thread
22:56   Sheikah   then I will post my case
22:57   Sheikah   should I just post the log of this?
22:57   Bird   I'd say... probably not
22:57   Bird   people never read logs!
22:58   Sheikah   fair point.  ABRIDGED VERSION WITH COMPLEMENTARY LOG GO!!!

[close]

Log of conversation with bird happening right now.

Abridged case against Maelstrom:
BDS, the fool, said not to seer me as I was a target, and Maelstrom ignored this.  If he was the wolf he could paint/seer me and I'd be at the end of everyone's gun.
Bird trusts him for seering him night 1, but there are 2 issues with that:
-a wolf would get on the human leader's good side early and could get away with suspicion later
-3 people claimed to seer Bird, only 2 actually did

End case, read log for full details.

I'd still like to talk to mlf, but for now this is where I'm at.

[the_last_sheikah]

Shoot Maelstrom

for reasons and plan previously stated, Bird has agreed to follow suit, the rest of you should too.

Spoiler

Bird   so sheikah what's your plan again?
23:32   Bird   we shoot maelstrom and then lynch you?
23:33   Sheikah   if he dies lynch me, yes
23:34   Imadeadguy   hey bird
23:34   Imadeadguy   I died
23:34   Imadeadguy   I GOT WOLFED
23:34   Imadeadguy   WHO'S THE WOLF NOW SUCKER
23:34   Imadeadguy   HA
23:34   Imadeadguy   HJAHAHHAHAHA
23:34   Sheikah   and if he survives, theres a very high chance he is the wolf
23:37   Bird   sounds good to me
23:37   Bird   shoot him then
23:38   Sheikah   do you agree to follow suit if I shoot first?
23:38   Bird   sure
23:39   Sheikah   I appreciate it, TO THE FORUM!!!!

[close]

[Bird]

what could go wrong

shoot maelstrom

[Maelstrom]

what could go wrong

It's mlf

[Bird]

Surely you can do more than just sit there and say it's MLF. What's your reasoning?

[Maelstrom]

It was crossed out for a reason.

[Bird]

ugh i should have just shot the_last_sheikah

oh well

[Mashi]

THE_LAST_SHEIKAH ATTEMPTS TO SHOOT MAELSTROM.

ONE IN FIVE DIVIDE BY FIVE PLUS FIVE CHANCE.

.....

THE SHOT IS UNSUCCESSFUL.
lolzeroni

BIRD ATTEMPTS TO SHOOT MAELSTROM.

ONE IN FORE CHANCE.

...

THE SHOT IS UNSUCCESSFUL.
notice how the bird has never had a single successful shot

[Maelstrom]

Shooting The_Last_Sheika

[the_last_sheikah]

If that kills me, well f***.
If I get shot and survive, I'll just lynch myself cause that would figure for my luck this game.

[Bird]

Well, somebody surviving the shooting is the best case scenario for the humans. It means we get a lynching and a shooting next day phase, rather than the game ending next night phase.