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Congrats to Oricorio coming 4th in the voting for champs !! Looked like really tight voting missed it by just a few points

Hopefully get through to semis as a wild card !!

How did you think the game went? Is it your first time playing champs

In hindsight, I was definitely a bit too static D1, which was likely due to me being unsure of how to handle the post limit and my perspective being skewed by a relatively recent FoL game I played where town's chances of winning were jeopardized D1 because a bunch of townies decided to switch from a correct wagon on a wolf to a wagon on the town Vig at the last minute, which is why I didn't switch my vote D1 when I really should've. I also regret not pushing cows harder D1, as I was onto them before pretty much anyone else so that was a missed opportunity. However, I definitely got more used to things D2 and my play was a lot more fluid, and I think the results speak for themselves. Plus, it was definitely cool to cast the game-ending hammer. I think my strong point was that I played a strong social game as always: I was only voted once the entire game, so I was never in any danger of being lynched, I kept town organized during some of the more chaotic moments, and I locked in the game-winning PoE. Many more people are expected to advance from this game since we were able to secure the win much more quickly than the previous two towns and there were strong players who didn't even podium like Gomes, so we probably don't have to worry too much on that front, although time will tell how the other games go. And on the bright side, at least this game wasn't infiltrated by a four-person hydra that got mislynched D1

Yeah, it's my first time in champs. I wanted to play for a while, but was kept out by a combination of spreading myself too thin (in that I was playing on a lot of sites, but not enough on any single site to be in contention), having to take a couple hiatuses due to schooling and mental health, and being permabanned twice from Bulbagarden for silly reasons, the second time being a year when I had a legitimate chance at being the site's representative (suffice it to say that one of the admins there just doesn't like me for personal reasons). But yeah, I was definitely happy to go, and it was also cool to see NSM back in the tournament after being absent for four seasons! Who knows, maybe BDS will get the chance to sub in this season as well, and I hope to see some of you trying it out in future seasons!

[TWG CXXIII: A Dance of Fire and Ice]

TWG CXXIII: A Dance of Fire and Ice

Wolves:
1. Fire Wolf: Every night, can choose one living player to mark red.
2. Ice Wolf: Every night, can choose one living player to mark blue.

Marks are permanent. Players marked either red or blue lose half their vote and are not told they were marked. Players marked with both colors die at the end of the night.

The wolves are not told each other's identity and have separate wincons, but they may win together if they are the last two players alive.

Humans:
3. Human
4. Human
5. Human
6. Human
7. Human

Special powers:

• Fire Seer: At the start of the game, a player other than the Fire Wolf is chosen at random to be the Fire Seer (i.e. the Ice Wolf could also be the Fire Seer). Every night, can choose one player to seer. Seers the Fire Wolf and any players marked red as red; seers all other players green.
• Ice Seer: At the start of the game, a player other than the Ice Wolf is chosen at random to be the Ice Seer (i.e. the Fire Wolf could also be the Ice Seer). Every night, can choose one player to seer. Seers the Ice Wolf and any players marked blue as blue; seers all other players green.

The same player cannot obtain both seering roles. If a target is both marked and seered in the same night, the mark happens first.

Win conditions:

• The Fire Wolf wins when (a) the Ice Wolf is dead and they have at least 50% of the voting power (or inevitably will by the end of the night), or (b) the Ice Wolf is alive and all humans are dead.
• The Ice Wolf wins when (a) the Fire Wolf is dead and they have at least 50% of the voting power (or inevitably will by the end of the night), or (b) the Fire Wolf is alive and all humans are dead.
• Humans win when both wolves are dead.

Host clarifications:
- N1 start.
- Instas are OFF. Lynching is required (no lynch is not an option). Phantoms are in play.
- KitBs will NOT be announced; a lynch target will simply be chosen at random.
- Cardflips are off.
- First night phase will be 48 hours. Subsequent night phases will be 24 hours; day phases will be 48 hours.

Can the Fire Wolf mark the Ice Wolf red or vice versa?

Also, what happens in an F3 with Ice Wolf/Fire Wolf/Human? The Human can't win in this situation as far as I can tell but can still have an influence in who wins

As for me, my plan after my stunt was to quickly get my team together to form an alliance before any other faction could, but with K-NiGhT unwilling to cooperate there was nowhere further I could go. As for calling out K-NiGhT in-thread, that was another gambit — I thought K-NiGhT was feeding info to some other team, so calling out his claim to me would hopefully make him less trustworthy to whoever he was in contact with, and if he was Scissors he would hopefully be forced to cooperate with SpecsFlyer17. I thought that as long as Specs could get in contact with the actual Scissors Vigilante, we'd still have a good chance of winning as we still had our Reviver which was a huge advantage. What I didn't count on was K-NiGhT thinking there was a seperate Scissors alliance, so well played BDS and MSF.

looking back, I think it was a huge misplay for me not to consider ScissorsNullifier!Oricorio and ScissorsReviver!Specs as much as I should've — it's evident in hindsight that Specs (in topic + PMs) was pro-Oricorio for all of D1. I definitely should have had Toby shoot Specs instead of THC

ironically enough though, that maybe would have lost us the game, since Specs revived davy instead of Oricorio

a few curious questions I have left:

@Oricorio @SpecsFlyer17 out of curiosity, what was it that made you doubt K-NiGhT's claim? davy and I had our own reasons for knowing he was the real Scissors Vig, of course, but even THC and Toby were convinced from the main topic conversation alone that K-NiGhT was the real Scissors Vig. Was there something that K-NiGhT and/or davy said in PMs that threw you off? (also, at what point did Oricorio officially claim Scissors Nullifier to Specs?)

@Oricorio What was your plan for handling me down the line? You seemed awfully willing to give me free info D1 — was there a reason for that? When you said that there shouldn't be any remaining living Paper claims, did you actually think davy was Paper?

@therealmathguy if I hadn't contacted you, who do you think you would have nullified N2?

I didn't trust K-NiGhT at that point because he wasn't responding to my PMs, which gave me the feeling that he might have been feeding people info. This was especially consolidated when you revealed when K-NiGhT last sent a PM to you, which was well after he last sent a PM to me.

As for you, I did have my own reasons for feeding you some of that info, mainly to weaken the positions of people I thought weren't a part of my faction like davy and Toby. But ultimately, I wanted to keep my "in" on someone from another faction. As I said, davy being Paper would have been true if all the Rock claims plus Toby were correct and K-NiGhT was legit, but I wasn't 100% certain of that being the case; given that K-NiGhT wasn't exactly being trustworthy at that point I couldn't entirely discount the possibility that davy was telling the truth, though Specs was more willing to believe that scenario than I was.

For my first game in many years, I honestly was having a hard time keeping up lol. I picked all the wrong alliances and didn't do much outside of that.

It was fun to get back into it though! I'll try to stick around for a few more games to get back in the habit.

Honestly, I should've gone with my gut initially and trusted you, but quickly got swept up by the paper team. That's on me 

A little note for the future: if I'm dumping pretty much all my information to you, I'm probably not lying about my alignment. Just sayin'.

I will say, I am proud of the fact that of the four Scissors claims I was presented with, I had correctly managed to deduce which two were trustworthy. Granted, trusting K-NiGhT in hindsight was a mistake, and by the time I found SpecsFlyer17 I didn't trust K-NiGhT enough to tell him, but I'm still glad of how close I did. I don't blame SpecsFlyer17 for reviving davy; I had told him to make sure K-NiGhT wasn't trustworthy before doing so, and to be fair by that point he wasn't.

Still, it was actually Toby who probably threw the biggest wrench in my plan to get things locked down, and him making me think he wasn't Paper was the biggest factor in making me miscalculate how to handle MSF. So I have to say, well played!

From my very first communications with K-NiGhT (basically as soon as he mentioned you claiming Scissors to him), I tried to hammer into him to not trust you

I wonder how many people you claimed the matching faction to? I know you claimed Paper to me (correct) and Scissors to K-NiGhT (also correct).

Rock to math was also correct. Plus, based on the way I randomized it, I put myself in the list to determine which slot was empty, so it got me as Scissors correct as well funnily enough.

EDIT: Oh, and Toby to. So the RNG got 5 out of nine correct, not bad!

I was so close to securing a Scissors alliance, but K-NiGhT wouldn't trust me for some reason...

GG all

[Oricorio]

I am also having issues trusting Oricorio, knowing that the Scissors Vigi is not only still alive, but was the one who killed Davy.

You also claimed Scissors Vig.

I am the Scissors Vigilante. I'm still waiting to hear on a response from BDS. The claim came so quickly that I'm not sure I suspect any foul play yet, but maybe it was premeditated?

Since you're messing around, I guess you want that to be public knowledge as well.

The davy claim is 100% real.

I typed the below message before I received your last one, and I'm not gonna let that work go to waste:
Have you claimed your role to BDS, or only that you're scissors? And did you tell him about my claim?

I reiterate that I'm the Scissors Vigi. I could prove to you that I'm the vigi by vigi'ing a player of your choice this night phase. However, that feels like I'm giving you too much power over me when I'm not even sure if you are telling the truth, since you not only get conformation of my role, but also get a player of your choice removed from the game.

So how about this: You nullify me this night phase. If I get the notification at eon that I got nullified, I can be certain enough that you are indeed the nullifier. Then n2 I can vigi a player of your choice to prove I'm the vigi. Nullifying isn't that strong n1 anyways, as revivers can't do anything with no players dead yet, so I think the information gained is more important than the chance of you hitting the Rock or Paper vigi with a shot in the dark.

I'll send you my updated thoughts knowing that there is another vigi claim in a bit, but at least you now already have this.

Im not going to claim to someone who fake claimed to me

Who's to say it was fake? I definitely told the truth to two or three people

[Toby]

Toby

As one of the few people I don't have a claim from. Claim to me, and I promise I will remove this vote and won't vote you for the rest of the phase.

It's gonna be interesting to see these action chains in postgame. We have at least one successful null, assuming that everyone that could act locked in an action.

I know the "revivers" brought a lot of attention to themselves by claiming but I didn't actually expect them to go down.

You gotta keep in mind that it's indeed possible that two vigilantes converged on the same target. Given that their claims put them directly in the line of fire, that's not a possibility that we can discount yet.

And so it begins...