You just lost the game.
Started by Kaiveran, September 21, 2023, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 23, 2023, 05:07:07 AMI can't help but shake the feeling he's an assassin who made the assumption that he probably only needed to convince one or two people to go along with his plan to get enough traction to get everyone else to follow along.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 23, 2023, 04:16:59 AMI forgot if I've already mentioned this, but worth noting is that if a ward is up for lynch it's entirely possible for an assassin to subtly defend them/push for an alternative lynch (especially early on before the lynch gains too much traction), which would also invalidate further benefit from davy's plan.
Quote from: Toby on September 23, 2023, 04:45:23 AMI also didn't follow the logic of a lot of it as any plan we announce an assassin can copy - such as telling humans to not defend themselves. I also feel what we call defending ourselves is very subjective and pushing for another lynch is a given anyway. So I don't really get the logic of the plan at all given everyone is gonna try redirect a lynch anyway, and if you want humans to just play quiet then the assassin will just do that too.
Quote from: Toby on September 23, 2023, 04:32:01 AMThere are certain things best left unsaid and this is definitely oneThere's no reason this needed to be revealed unless you were using it against someone, which you're not
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow[davy]'s in a way different time zone so basically he pops in at like 2 AM and posts 500 words and wins the game
Quote from: davy on September 23, 2023, 05:15:28 AMI think I get what you mean, that if wards are subtly protected by their assassin the lynch is more likely to fall on a non-ward and with cold targets and normal townies not defending themselves the lynch is more likely to fall on them. Agree that it diminishes the benifit of my plan, disagree about the degree it diminishes it.
QuoteAn assassin that is on the chopping block will have to defend themselves or they are going to lose the game. I am fine with an assassin copying town playstyle if it makes us win the game.
QuoteKinda agree with Toby that discussing assassin strategy in the thread is probably not a good idea, and that this is something that would have been better to reveal if you actually think you're seeing it happening.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 23, 2023, 05:07:07 AMOn that note, I do stand by my vote for davy at the moment. I can't help but shake the feeling he's an assassin who made the assumption that he probably only needed to convince one or two people to go along with his plan to get enough traction to get everyone else to follow along. If davy is one of the assassins, he certainly already realized what I mentioned, and knowing this, would have great incentive to continue to try and convince people to follow through with his plan as a method of gaining better control over the lynch (i.e. davy is playing the game to be assassin vs. assassin rather than town vs. assassin). Backing down entirely, however, would look weird for him at this point (and likely would've had to happen much earlier in our discussion), which is why he's only walked back on the idea in steps until the point when enough people have spoken out against it.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 23, 2023, 05:26:35 AMThat's not different than any manhunt game though, and there's a good reason we don't use similar approaches to manhunt games. Personally, I don't feel as if the involvement of the wards makes that significantly different enough to change that.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 23, 2023, 05:26:35 AMSure, but at this point it's all the little detracting points adding up, no?
Quote from: Waddle Bro on July 14, 2013, 01:48:09 PMme tzpyou tarzan
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on September 23, 2023, 05:44:28 AMNah, I was just against people telling the hot targets not to claim. I'm okay with your suggestion to have "normal" humans taking one for the team and allowing themselves to be lynched, particularly on D0. Suspicion list to come later today.
Quote from: davy on September 23, 2023, 12:33:28 AM1. XiaoMigros. They are playing very differntly from last game, with very little involvement with the thread.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 22, 2023, 03:27:16 PMI'm also interested to hear your thoughts on the discussion itself irrespective of davy and me (though, as I said before, it can wait until tomorrow if you're too tired to think properly ).
Quote from: davy on September 22, 2023, 01:06:44 PMAlso to clarify: not defending yourself does not mean you can't push for a different lynch in my book, so a player under fire can still try to get a different lynch going.
Quote from: XiaoMigros on September 23, 2023, 07:38:42 AMtbh I don't entirely agree with either of yalls logic, but I still think regular townies not defending themselves is the optimal strategy.Regular townies don't know if they are a ward, their death has a significant chance of being helpful
Quote from: XiaoMigros on September 23, 2023, 08:18:31 AMalso what does cardflipping mean?
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