TWG XXXVI: The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya

[FSM-Reapr]

We're not going to "get this over with" so you can post a game. We are going to finish this game properly and then you could present your idea (though you haven't been playing nearly long enough to host even after another game, in my opinion).

I meant let's get rid of the other wolf, so the next game could start!

Isn't there a requirement of playing at least three games where you've shown a complete understanding of how TWG works before you are allowed to host?

Yes, 3 games and active in all of them.

[vermilionvermin]

This is an earlier part of the log Mashi posted.  We missed about 4 minutes.  If anyone has what happened between "dammit sprog" and whatever Mashi's log starts with, that'd be nice to see.

(talking about fsm to start)

21:28   Vermilionvermin   wolf or human?
21:28   universe-X   lmao
21:28   slow   though sometimes I'm just as guilty of not taking it seriously
21:28   slow   hmm
21:28   slow   I know
21:29   sheikah   human
21:29   Vermilionvermin   why?
21:29   Vermilionvermin   @sheikah
21:29   Vermilionvermin   why do you think he's a human
21:30   slow   personally
21:30   sheikah   has he done much to disprove?
21:30   slow   I feel that if we are totally clueless as to who to lynch in 25 minutes
21:30   slow   we should lynch FSM
21:30   Vermilionvermin   I disagree
21:30   slow   because I don't feel that he'd be useful to the human team
21:30   Vermilionvermin   I think he's a human
21:30   Maestro   I disagree as well.
21:31   slow   hm 
21:31   Vermilionvermin   because I don't think a new wolf would be the first to disagree with a theory, regardless of how bad it is
21:31   Vera   shouldnt we lynch you for the same reasons slowpokemon???
21:31   slow   hahaha
21:31   slow   possibly 
21:31   Vera   
21:31   Vermilionvermin   and he was the first one to say he didn't like my theory of mashi & U-X
21:31   Vera   is that a concession
21:31   slow   maybe because he was wolf partners with one of them
21:31   sheikah   what if everyone votes for jub, what would happen?
21:32   Vera   lol
21:32   slow   wait speaking of which
21:32   slow   this hasn't been covered yet
21:32   slow   but how do I know universe is human
21:32   Vermilionvermin   we'd all get phantoms
21:32   slow   I mean, maybe it has
21:32   slow   but I didn't read it
21:32   sheikah   I think verm has that piece of info
21:33   Vermilionvermin   I'm of the opinion that neither U-X nor mashi is a wolf at the moment
21:33   slow   why should I trust verm?
21:33   slow   
21:33   Vera   because hes verm verm
21:33   Maestro   Well, trusting him is entirely up to you.
21:33   slow   he's such a good player
21:33   Vermilionvermin   trust me vermillion percent
21:33   slow   I don't XD
21:33   Vera   ya
21:33   slow   not that much
21:33   Vera   It's rather conspicuous that if vermilionvermin or I is a Wolf.
21:33   Vera   It can't be both of us.
21:34   universe-X   ehh
21:34   Vera   We're not the types to do a stunt so radical Day 1.
21:34   universe-X   I was sorta banking on posting "I am hoomin" as the first post
21:34   slow   I'm always wary of verm, because like right now, he'd take charge like this and none of us would ever stop to suspect him
21:34   universe-X   so that way it'd be sure that I am, indeed, human
21:34   slow   ah that reminds me
21:34   universe-X   but I didn't know if that was an illegal move.
21:34   slow   why I think FSM is human
21:34   slow   "I thought it said "moomin" lol"
21:34   Vermilionvermin   yeah i think that's questionable u-x
21:35   slow   I didn't think he'd post that if he didn't get the pm
21:35   Vermilionvermin   well
21:35   universe-X   of course it's questionable lol
21:35   Vermilionvermin   jub did post them in the thread
21:35   sheikah   thats the best point ive heard, with the language barrier an all
21:35   slow   yeah
21:35   slow   I just remembered that when u-x said that
21:35   universe-X   he posted it after i was contemplating it
21:36   universe-X   bleh, idk why jub would do that -_-
21:36   universe-X   it would be so easy just to claim as "hoomin" due to spelling
21:36   Vermilionvermin   so that you can't do what you were thinking about doing 
21:36   universe-X   I could've made the post before jub ;~;
21:37   Vera   That's against the rules though.
21:37   Vera   That's why we post the PMs in the first place!
21:37   universe-X   That's what i thought
21:37   universe-X   anyways
21:37   universe-X   23 minutes
21:37   Vera   SlowPokemon
21:37   Vermilionvermin   Sorry slow, I suspect you slightly more than everyone else
21:37   slow   holy f*ck
21:37   Vera   What do you think of the Spyro wolfing?
21:37   sheikah   ok, if you voted, please say for whom, so we know
21:37   sheikah   myself
21:37   Vermilionvermin   you've been giving me a weird vibe so far
21:37   slow   my phone just vibrated for 10 seconds straight
21:37   slow   for no reason
21:37   slow   okay
21:38   slow   I kind of feel the same of you though
21:38   slow    PP
21:38   slow   these smileys are so inaccurate
21:38   Maestro   In all honesty, I'm not conviced slow's human.
21:38   slow   hm 
21:38   Vera   SlowPokemooon
21:38   universe-X   what maes you say that?
21:38   Vera   Spyro wolfing?
21:38   slow   whaaat
21:38   universe-X   *makes
21:38   Vera   What do you make of it?
21:38   slow   I don't even know what Spyro did
21:39   Maestro   Our plan was to lynch an inactive.
21:39   slow   wait, wolfing?
21:39   slow   o_O
21:39   universe-X   Spyro was wolfed foo
21:39   Vermilionvermin   I went safety on maestro to sheikah to slow
21:39   slow   oh
21:39   slow   right
21:39   Vermilionvermin   i might have voted blueflower
21:39   Maestro   And the only reason slow became active was to save his on ass.
21:39   Maestro   own*
21:39   Vera   SlowPokemon.
21:39   slow   What.
21:39   Vera   How did you not know he was wolfed?
21:39   Vera   You reacted to it.
21:39   Vera   Saying "SUCCESS"
21:40   universe-X   lawl
21:40   slow   oh right
21:40   sheikah   guys, ive got to go to bed before my parents kill me for staying up too late. I'll see you all tomorrow.
21:40   slow   And the only reason slow became active was to save his on ass. --not entirely true
21:40   Vera   I felt that was forced.
21:40   Vera   CAWT.
21:40      *** sheikah left #TWGNSM
21:40   universe-X   don't forget to make your post sheikah
21:40   Vera   Good night, sheikah!
21:40   universe-X   ok then
21:40   universe-X   and yeah, I'm sorta with slow on this one,
21:41   slow   All right well I feel I've done the best I can  I have a really weird suspicion right now that verm and maestro are both wolves
21:41   slow   not just because you're voting me
21:41   universe-X   it's not like his reaction was instantaneous or anything.
21:41   Vera   You're with SlowPokemon in supporting or voting him?
21:41   universe-X   that would be a dangerous pair lol
21:41   universe-X   support
21:41   Vera   I see.
21:41   Vera   I don't think that he would have forgotten the Spyro wolfing, however. Not so easily, at least.
21:41   slow   I think I'm going to vote for Maestro at the moment....this game is tough
21:41   Vermilionvermin   I think that it should be disproven based on the length of our log
21:41   universe-X   I still say we vote blue
21:42   slow   I remember posting that but I don't remember who was wolfed lol
21:42   slow   I was just happy it wasn't me
21:42   slow   again
21:42   Vera   You would have to have read the name though.
21:42   Vera   Hmm.
21:42   Maestro   To make sure it wasn't you.
21:42   slow   I didn't pay much attention to the thread 
21:42   slow   Yeah
21:42   slow   I honestly don't remember it
21:42   slow   lol
21:43   universe-X   hmm
21:43   Maestro   Unless you are going to commit and put forth effort, you might as well be inactive.
21:43   universe-X   T-minus 17 minutes
21:43   slow   hmm

21:44   slow   then lynch me!
21:44   Vera   Okay.
21:44   slow   cardflip will be a slap in the face though
21:44   universe-X   ^this
21:44   universe-X   and I don't want this.
21:44   slow   XD
21:44   Vera   Then whom do you suggest, Universe-X?
21:44   Vermilionvermin   u-x, what makes you confident that slow isn't a wolf/
21:44   universe-X   that little skype excerpt
21:44   universe-X   has me saying he isn't
21:45   Vera   Why?
21:45   Vermilionvermin   Why? I reached the opposite conclusion.
21:45   slow   yeah, why?
21:45   universe-X   gah one sec
21:45   universe-X   ok, it's too up there for me to view it
21:45   slow   I'd probably be thinking I was a wolf right now too
21:45   universe-X   basically, he's just trying to prove his innocence
21:45   slow   it does appear I came in to save my own ass I guess
21:46   universe-X   and it seems like you guys are trying to use that as "omq he's teh wuff"
21:46   slow   "and it seems like you guys are trying to use that as "omq he's teh wuff" THAT is what I'm feeling
21:46   Vera   Everyone is going to try to prove one's innocence.
21:46   universe-X   You can't blame a person for providing activity once asked for it.
21:46   slow   I've USED that
21:46   slow   it feels like that
21:46   Vera   He wasn't asked.
21:46   Maestro   He's shown up, he may be active now, but he's not proactive.
21:46   Vera   He was forced.
21:46   slow   LOLno
21:46   Vera   We threatened to lynch him!
21:46   universe-X   lol
21:46   Vermilionvermin   The thing about slow is that he only came when he learned that he might be lynched
21:46   Vermilionvermin   not when he knew that we didn't have a lynch target
21:47   universe-X   hm
21:47   slow   -_o I didn't use my laptop at ALL until tonight
21:47   universe-X   even then
21:47   slow   I have only read through the posts on my phone
21:47   universe-X   he wasn't really proactive in the first place
21:47   universe-X   he'd be providing a little more if were a wolf
21:47   slow   I'm not proactive? oh, I thought I was giving my opinions
21:47   universe-X   i would think, at least.
21:47   slow   I guess I was just proving I'm a wolf
21:47   universe-X   lol, you're doing well now
21:47   Maestro   When?
21:47   universe-X   When what?
21:48   slow   when Mashi was asking me about all sorts of players?
21:48   Maestro   I must've missed it.
21:48   universe-X   yeah
21:48   slow   Maestro and Verm are giving me uneasy feelings in my stomach -_o
21:48   Maestro   It probably got buried in the sprog debacle.
21:48   universe-X   it did
21:48   Vera   what about me slowpokemon
21:48   slow   you too
21:48   universe-X   lol, heavily buried
21:48   Vera   woo
21:48   slow   lol
21:49   universe-X   11 minutes
21:49   Vera   You realise though that the chances of vermilionvermin and I being partners are practically zero though, no?
21:49   Vera   Just to reiterate that point.
21:49   universe-X   that should be obvious
21:49   Vermilionvermin   If you are a human, you should probably make a post before you die
21:49   Vermilionvermin   which elaborates on your suspicions
21:49   universe-X   lol
21:49   Vera   11 minutes!!!
21:49   slow   I'm counting on someone else to post a log
21:49   slow   I'm just posting my vote
21:49   Vermilionvermin   all right then, that'll work
21:49   universe-X   someone post a log
21:49   Vera   I don't have the full log.
21:49   Vera   
21:49   slow   me either
21:49   slow   does verm?
21:50   Vermilionvermin   but gut feelings, even if they come from confirmed humans, aren't much to go on
21:50   universe-X   me neither
21:50   Vera   uh oh!!!
21:50   Maestro   It got buried.
21:50   Vermilionvermin   I don't have all of it
21:50   universe-X   gut feelings are better than a random vote
21:50   Maestro   Again, because of sprog.
21:50   Vermilionvermin   only what i can reach
21:50   universe-X   dammit sprog

[universe-X]

1. Time zones, you're days are my evenings and vice-versa.
2. I'm red, because I'm frivolous. Do you seriously think that I would admit that I'm a wolf?!
3. I do suspect B-Flow( ) also, but he's a not-sure. Shadowkirby didn't post a single opinion like in his previous game where he was a wolf. Mashi I suspect a tiiiiiiiiiiiiiny bit, but not as much as U-X. I can't explain because I can't! It's so hard to explain, 'cause of the LBarrier! Check the previous TWG, I am a nutcase.
4. Wolves don't have a reason to watch Who's Online. Humans can with it check who's sending messages and who checks them.

Ninja'd! 

Okay, language barrier and you being a nutcase shouldn't excuse you, honestly. As one of my teachers said, "you think the way you do for a reason" and what ever reason you can give us is better than "I can but I can't". Also, you should explain your Who's Online theory better. Finally, cleaning up your posts and being a little less spammy would be nice too.

I just got the best TWG Host idea ever!

Let's get this over with, and start another and finish that so I could present my idea!

No.

DUDE WAS A WOLF.

Everyone, I'm really, REALLY sorry for my poor host performance this game.

I'd like to say it's okay, but please please do a better job next time Jub I just hope verm sees this post to help his suspicion on Slow.

That being said, yesterday was extremely lucky then. Best KitB ever since we got a wolf. I almost feel bad about opposing the Dude lynch and complaining about the minute rule so much yesterday

However, Slow did pretty much prove his humanity in yesterday's intense log, so good on you Slow.

My list as of now:
1. Mashi Ehh, your sarcasm did kinda piss me off in the beginning of this game as it didn't provide much except for anger on your part and whatnot (that angry post lol). However, you were in heavy favor of the Dude lynching, seeing as you got jub to abide by the minute rule which evidently got Dude lynched in a KitB. So I'll stay 50/50 with you. Maybe 60/40 (60 saying you're human). But I've got my eye on you.
2. SlowPokemon Almost freakin' lynched himself. I must reiterate how lucky that KitB was and I'm really glad we did the minute rule. This time though.
3. bubbles Idk if this is my soft side saying this, but I do believe her to be human from yesterday's log.
4. MaestroUGC You've been providing a lot for the humans as far as activity and an appropriate wealth of information. lol, however, I have known you to be deceptive before, so I'm keeping you at orange for now.
5. Dude Lynched, cardflip.
6. blueflower999 I felt really bad about almost voting for you yesterday because the only evidence that was pinned against you was the log that I took part in. However, it's not unlikely that it could just be you bandwagoning on other humans' suspicions to make yourself seem more human. Soo, I'll keep you at orange for now.
7. FSM While I said not to use your language barrier as an excuse, I'll use it. I just don't see you being a wolf because of yours posts this game. Then again I could be wrong and it could all be a cover up. However, Dude is wolfed. If you were a wolf, you probably had to rely heavily on Dude anyways to get stuff done. So yeah, you're probably human.
8. vermillionvermin I'm still suspicious about you and your apprehensive/bouncy accusations. Some of them started to kind of contradict each other (possibly remnants of that Mashi&me accusation speaking here). And the way I see it, contradictions are a way to disprove lies in court; and the same can be applied in this game. You did seem to calm down a bit last night, but ehh, we'll see. Really, I just hope you change your opinion of Slow since it's so obvious he's human. To me, at least, lol.
9. universe-X I'm hoomin.
10. Spyro Wolfed night 1.
11. the_last_sheikah Willing to lynch himself a little too easily to be regarded as a wolf.

9 people left, 1 wolf in the midst of us and I do believe 5 of us to be human. I'm most heavily conflicted about Verm and Mashi, probably because of that reaction test and that I've seen them providing the most [unique] observations. And at this point, we can depend on inconsistencies to get our last wolf, the way I see it going.

Slow and U-X, please tell us again why you opposed the dude lynch.

I opposed it because I didn't want to lynch a supposedly inactive human. Like, I'd never think that a wolf who wouldn't be around to scrutinize any objections would exist. But I guess this is Dude we're talking about, lol, so yeah. Lazy wolf. Sorry about that.

Now the only focus here is- Who is Dude's partner?

My main suspicions will stay at Vermillion and blue. 70% of the burden lays on blue. I guess we can bank our suspicions on the next wolfing and base something off of that.

[FSM-Reapr]

I COMPLETELY agree with Bubbles! Bubbles is such a cute name! XD

5. FSM - he seems to talk alot

Yeah I do that a lot, even in real life! XD

I suspect technically everyone, but I just work with feeling.
Who's Online theory: Humans watch WO to see who sends messages and who receives them, and can suspect with that who's a wolf or who has the items.

cleaning up your posts and being a little less spammy would be nice too.

In twg, you can't, but I will try not to spam.

[MaestroUGC]

I'll be in the chat for about an hour if anybody wants to talk.

[universe-X]

I suspect technically everyone, but I just work with feeling.

That's not the best idea, considering there's some form of evidence you have to look at.

Who's Online theory: Humans watch WO to see who sends messages and who receives them, and can suspect with that who's a wolf or who has the items.

1) there are no items this game. 2) This would be a good Night 1 thing to do considering you could easily go off that, especially in a manhunt, but it's not valid all the time. A wolf could just as easily be doing that as a cover up. Heck, I'll even make it known now- It's so easy to have 2 tabs open, one on "Who's Online" and the other on "Sending a PM". Once you've gotten to typing your PM, refresh the Who's Online tab every now and then to make it seem like you're online. Send whenever you're ready and immediately afterwards, refresh "Who's Online". It's literally that easy.

In twg, you can't, but I will try not to spam.

Lemme help you out there.

By putting yourself as green instead of red like this-

My opinions:

Black=Not sure

1. Mashi
2. SlowPokemon
3. bubbles
4. MaestroUGC because he watches a lot Who's Online
5. Dude
6. blueflower999
7. FSM
8. vermillionvermin also watches Who's Online
9. universe-x he might be a wolf in my opinion
10. Spyro
11. the_last_sheikah

You can easily avoid spammy stuff like point #2.

1. Time zones, you're days are my evenings and vice-versa.
2. I'm red, because I'm frivolous. Do you seriously think that I would admit that I'm a wolf?!
3. I do suspect B-Flow( ) also, but he's a not-sure. Shadowkirby didn't post a single opinion like in his previous game where he was a wolf. Mashi I suspect a tiiiiiiiiiiiiiny bit, but not as much as U-X. I can't explain because I can't! It's so hard to explain, 'cause of the LBarrier! Check the previous TWG, I am a nutcase.
4. Wolves don't have a reason to watch Who's Online. Humans can with it check who's sending messages and who checks them.

Ninja'd! 

And using 1 emote instead of 6 helps too.

[universe-X]

I'll be in the chat for about an hour if anybody wants to talk.

I'll be there.

[blueflower999]

This lynch is totally making me reconsider Mashi. I'm fairly sure that he's human now, and the same with Verm for similar reasons. Slow I also feel is human because I don't think a wolf would put himself at gunpoint like Slow did and risk it like that.

[universe-X]

Just realized no on probably saved that log.

[Mashi]

[1:46:55 PM] Jub: DANIEL
[1:47:02 PM] Jub: I WAS WRONG
[1:47:17 PM] Jub: ABOUT DUDE
[1:51:35 PM] Jordan Knapp: good afternoon
[1:51:45 PM] Jub: SLOWPOKEMON
[1:51:49 PM] Jub: I'M A TERRIBLE HOST
[1:51:55 PM] Jordan Knapp: ...was dude a wolf?
[1:52:02 PM] Jub: Yes.
[1:52:08 PM] Jub: I'm really really really sorry
[1:52:09 PM] Jordan Knapp: .....wow
[1:52:14 PM] Jub: I'm really sorry.
[1:52:47 PM] Jub: My mind apparently wasn't functioning last night, at all.
[1:53:04 PM] Jub: There's really no excuse for what I failed to notice last night!
[1:53:09 PM] Jordan Knapp: nice

MUCH LATER:

[7:39:26 PM] Daniel: JUB3R7.
[7:39:34 PM] Daniel: GUESS WHAT EVEN THOUGHT YOU'RE NOT ON.
[7:39:37 PM] Daniel: YOU MMMMMMD.
[7:40:04 PM] Daniel: MADE MY MIRACUOUSLY MORNING MAKING MY DAY
[7:40:05 PM] Daniel: idk

ilu jub

[vermilionvermin]

Time for my bigger post after rereading the log.  Suspicion list strangely enough remains largely the same.

The cool thing about lynching a wolf day 1 is that we can reform our suspicions based upon who might be partners with that wolf.  Dude being the wolf we lynched is unfortunate because his activity was limited.  Reformed thoughts on each player:

Mashi:  As close to a confirmed human as we're going to get.  Wolves don't lynch their own partners when there's another option.  This could be a ploy because of the cardflip, but I doubt it.

Slow:  I changed your color about three times in the course of this post.  In the end, I decided I think you're probably a human.  If you were a wolf, it would have made sense to support either the blueflower lynch to keep both wolves alive or the dude lynch to gain a little bit of credibility as a human.  Voting for Maestro accomplishes neither.

Bubbles:  Nothing about Bubbles makes me think that she's a wolf.  I think she might have been more likely to jump in and save Dude if she were a wolf.  Bubbles brought up a good point that Slow is likely to be human because if he were a wolf, he'd gain credibility by supporting the Dude lynch.

Maestro:  Maestro's seemed human-ish all game, and I know that just in my last post I said I was pretty sure he was human.  That was before I reread the log.  I don't know why more people aren't talking him as a wolf suspect though.  Maestro was in the chat and didn't support the Dude lynch.  He supported the Slow lynch, and could have pushed for Dude's lynch.  I really don't like the passive support for the slow lynch when Dude's lynch popped up, and I'd like Maestro to defend himself on that point.

Blueflower:  Didn't support or oppose the Dude or slow lynches, so it's hard to read you.  I wouldn't be horribly surprised if you were the wolf though.

FSM:  I doubt you'd have been the first to oppose my theory about Mashi and U-X on Night 1 if you were a wolf.

U-X:  Red for opposing the Dude lynch.  Your suspicion list also seems really, really odd.

The_Last_Sheikah:  Slightly more human than Blueflower because of the sacrifice thing during Day 1, but I need to see more from you.

Don't sleep on this game yet.  It's very nice that we lynched a wolf day 1, but there are still plenty of people who could be wolves.  This isn't over yet, and the wolf could steal a win if we're not careful.

[blueflower999]

Blueflower:  Didn't support or oppose the Dude or slow lynches, so it's hard to read you.  I wouldn't be horribly surprised if you were the wolf though.

If I would have been on when you guys lynched Dude, then I would have been against it, to be honest. Of course, because he was a wolf I guess that makes me a horrible TWGer. But I don't feel that lynching due to inactivity is a good way to go. As for the Slow lynch... well... I still don't see the point.

[universe-X]

^What they were going for is removing "What ifs" at the end of the game or something. To me this is weak reasoning, but hey it worked out well. Probably the main reason people are gonna put the label of horrible TWGer on you is cuz you seem to mind it a lot lol.

Verm, please explain how my list is so curious. Because I'm just trying to explain how everything works in my PoV.

[MaestroUGC]

The reason I would've rather lynched Slow than Dude is because, even though he's inactive, Dude is not here. Him not physically being here means he's usless to both side, either as a wolf or as a human. As such, I wanted to lynch someone who A) would have a chance to defend himself, which he did; and B) he would at least be another body for the human count, provided he wasn't a wolf. The idea I had in mind was that if he was a wolf that we'd get his partner before he came back, and if done correctly, the missed wolfing would tell us all we need to know.

From what has come to light, that could've worked, but the KitB killed him, so we need to find his partner, and since everybody is now at least somewhat active, we don't have any loose ends to worry about later. I tried to explain this in the chat, but I kept getting cut off before I could finish that train of thought.

[Bubbles]

Maestro, you're basicaly saying that we shouldn't have killed him so we could have killed him later. I know what you say your strategy is, but what if he came back and didnt stay inactive? Then we would still have two wolves.