TWG LIII: All the King's Men

[Yugi]

So we learn the news in 24 hours?

[Bird]

That lynch didn't really decide anything. If the guard lands her block tonight, the game continues anyway, even if all four wolves remain.

So... yes?

[Dude]

*Watches silently*

[vermilionvermin]

I'll try to make a longer post when I've closely read everything, but I'm pretty upset that BDS told me a player I suspected was a confirmed human because it affected who I wanted to vote for.  I might have pushed for Yugi to be lynched on Day 2 and likely would have yesterday if I hadn't been told that he was the guardian.

[Bird]

BDS told me a player I suspected was a confirmed human

You should reveal the other specials to spite him.

I was trying to justify this, by thinking like "oh, maybe he was testing you and trying to trick you into wolfing him," but that sort of doesn't make sense, since that would incriminate you.

[MaestroUGC]

More things happened and BlackDragonSlayer was killed. The Crown has been moved to the next ib line.

Rebels:
Prince of Shadows – Master Wolf, the mastermind behind the movement.
2 Conspirators – 2 soldiers dedicated to the movement.
The King's Council – A traitor; if he is killed, one name of a conspirator will be announced (Prince of Shadow's name is last on the list for reveal). If he dies while in power then the lynching will revert to a Public Vote.

Humans:
The King – Our sovereign leader, if he dies power goes to the Prince. No Voting Power.
The Prince – Next in line for the throne, if both the King and Prince Die, the Charismatic Wolf assumes Power. No Voting Power.
Prime Minister – Has double voting power.
The Royal Guard – Guardian
8 Citizens – People loyal to the King

Players:
1. Black Dragon Slayer, Soldier - Corporal
2. Yugi, Officer - Captain
3. fank009, Soldier - Private
4. The Boy Who Cried Wolf, Clerk - Corporal KIA
5. FSM-Reapr, M.P. - Sergeant
6. The ZeldaPianist275, Soldier - Private KIA
7. gzgregory, Soldier - Sergeant
8. Dude, Clerk - Corporal
9. Bird, Pilot - Lieutenant
10. Waddle Bro, Officer - Lieutenant KIA
11. Bubbles, Cook - Sergeant
12. Mashi, Officer - Major KIA
13. wolf, Soldier - Private MIA
14. Vermilionvermin, Soldier - Corporal
15. Thiannon, Soldier - Private KIA
16. Liggy, Doctor - Major KIA

Chatroom

It is now Day 4
Day 4 will end on Sat. May 25th at 11:00 PM CST
I work at nights so don't be alarmed if I miss the update time, the phase will still end as scheduled.

[Bird]

Okay everyone, we lost our King. The crown has moved to the traitor guy, so it is essential that we all vote for the same player in order for the lynch to be overridden. Dude has a double vote, so even if there are still 3 wolves left, we should be fine (3 humans, guardian, prime minister (double power) = 6 vs. 3 wolves is still 2/3). And we're even better off if there are 2 or fewer wolves.

I think we should set a deadline or something for us to have picked a lynch by, then at that point we should spend the rest of the day all voting for that person. How does 6 hours before the phase's end sound?

[BlackDragonSlayer]

More things happened and BlackDragonSlayer was killed. The Crown has been moved to the next ib line.

DRAT. They saw through the ruse.


I will be back, I tell you! I will be... urrrr...

Nice avatar, Bird.

URRRRRR... ...

[Yugi]

Okay everyone, we lost our King. The crown has moved to the traitor guy, so it is essential that we all vote for the same player in order for the lynch to be overridden. Dude has a double vote, so even if there are still 3 wolves left, we should be fine (3 humans, guardian, prime minister (double power) = 6 vs. 3 wolves is still 2/3). And we're even better off if there are 2 or fewer wolves.

I think we should set a deadline or something for us to have picked a lynch by, then at that point we should spend the rest of the day all voting for that person. How does 6 hours before the phase's end sound?

I think that 12 hours would be a better Idea personally.

[vermilionvermin]

Given that I'll have less time to be consistently active this phase, I agree with Yugi (yes, this is a vote) in that we should decide 12 hours before.  I'll probably have time to change my vote should we go another direction with this if it's only 6 hours, but I think 12 is safer.

First, there's the fact that he advocated that the guardian shouldn't claim to BDS on Night 1.  There was no chance king was going to be counterclaimed.  Suggesting that the guardian not claim is just disruptive to the alliance.

Second, he's shared 0 suspicions this game.  He never commented on the Waddle lynch, Thiannon lynch, or Liggy lynch (unless you count point five).  At least one of those three is a wolf.  And it's clear he cares about the game to some degree because he defended himself (however briefly, he did make a post with the intent of defending himself) against fank's Day 1 accusation.  he hasn't actually voted for anyone to be lynched this game unless you count the "verm to avoid a phantom" vote.  His first vote was for bird "because it doesn't matter" and his third vote was a safety.  This makes him a potential partner for everyone and their mother.  Thiannon and Liggy are two pretty decent candidates since they've been lynched and the wolves haven't won yet and I don't think either of them said anything about Yugi as a potential wolf (someone fact-check me on this).

Third, (in the same vein as the second point) he's posted a lot of filler.  He's actually posted a decent amount of times but none of it has any content.  No, this is not explained by him pretending to act like a special.  No human would sacrifice their ability to contribute so they look like a special.

Below are the posts I consider "filler".  Filler is a blanket term for a variety of different posts that serve no purpose other than to make the poster look helpful.  But they don't actually do anything.  It's kind of complicated, but hopefully the examples below explain it because I think they fit the definition of filler to a T.  Joke posts are excluded because they aren't even pseudo-contributions like the posts below are.

I know I've been harping on it, but it's true.
This is the definition of filler.
See above.
Help I'm running out of ways to call something filler
Not overwhelmingly filler-y like the previous three but still pretty useless given the insight he should have.  He doesn't even say whether he's leaning human or wolf on fank, which should be pretty easy to do.
This is filler.
And there were probably three or four other posts he's made that I would normally consider filler but just didn't make the cut to this list of examples.

Fourth, this post could easily be a mistake he made as a wolf letting it slip that Waddle Bro was a human.  Could be a human mistake too, but it's more likely to come from a wolf than a human.  This also is an example of filler that didn't get addressed in point 3 because that would be repetitive.

Fifth, the fiasco with having BDS tell me that he was a special.  There's obviously the potential that he's a human and he was trying to catch a wolf.  But it's a double-edged sword.  He could very easily be a wolf who was trying to ensure he wasn't lynched and look like he's helping the humans without actually doing anything.  Since BDS agreed to see if I'd wolf him, there's not a chance he'd be lynched early.  He also ensured that one human was unable to accuse him of being a wolf (and later suggested we do the same with FSM!)

The only things that go in his favor are not caring about who he votes and being the first to retract his vote on Day 1 when Bird suggested it as a gamebreaking strategy.  The former could reasonably be faked or felt by a wolf and the latter, well, I could see a wolf going along with the strategy knowing it wouldn't fail or knowing that he could just change his vote at the last second.

If I had to rank the points in terms of how important they are in my decision to vote Yugi, it's 2>3>5>4>1.  If you want me to vote for someone else, you should respond to them in that order, Yugi.

[Yugi]

Second, he's shared 0 suspicions this game.  He never commented on the Waddle lynch, Thiannon lynch, or Liggy lynch (unless you count point five).  At least one of those three is a wolf.  And it's clear he cares about the game to some degree because he defended himself (however briefly, he did make a post with the intent of defending himself) against fank's Day 1 accusation.  he hasn't actually voted for anyone to be lynched this game unless you count the "verm to avoid a phantom" vote.  His first vote was for bird "because it doesn't matter" and his third vote was a safety.  This makes him a potential partner for everyone and their mother.  Thiannon and Liggy are two pretty decent candidates since they've been lynched and the wolves haven't won yet and I don't think either of them said anything about Yugi as a potential wolf (someone fact-check me on this).

I had no real suspicions, I have a ridiculous amount of homework right now, and I just don't have the time to look through the thread at the moment. Plus giant walls of text are giant.

Also, Thiannon was suspicious of me earlier on.

Third, (in the same vein as the second point) he's posted a lot of filler.  He's actually posted a decent amount of times but none of it has any content.  No, this is not explained by him pretending to act like a special.  No human would sacrifice their ability to contribute so they look like a special.

Below are the posts I consider "filler".  Filler is a blanket term for a variety of different posts that serve no purpose other than to make the poster look helpful.  But they don't actually do anything.  It's kind of complicated, but hopefully the examples below explain it because I think they fit the definition of filler to a T.  Joke posts are excluded because they aren't even pseudo-contributions like the posts below are.

I know I've been harping on it, but it's true.
This is the definition of filler.
See above.
Help I'm running out of ways to call something filler
Not overwhelmingly filler-y like the previous three but still pretty useless given the insight he should have.  He doesn't even say whether he's leaning human or wolf on fank, which should be pretty easy to do.
This is filler.
And there were probably three or four other posts he's made that I would normally consider filler but just didn't make the cut to this list of examples.

1. I was trying to bring activity to the thread, plus, I didn't know what was going on.
2. I was asking the host a question.
3. Joke post.
4. Question.
5. Response to BDS.
6. Filler.

Fifth, the fiasco with having BDS tell me that he was a special.  There's obviously the potential that he's a human and he was trying to catch a wolf.  But it's a double-edged sword.  He could very easily be a wolf who was trying to ensure he wasn't lynched and look like he's helping the humans without actually doing anything.  Since BDS agreed to see if I'd wolf him, there's not a chance he'd be lynched early.  He also ensured that one human was unable to accuse him of being a wolf (and later suggested we do the same with FSM!)

It was BDS's idea for the meatshield to be aimed at you, I just came up with the idea.

Plus, to quote Dark Koopa "Humans are Expendable"

Fourth, this post could easily be a mistake he made as a wolf letting it slip that Waddle Bro was a human.  Could be a human mistake too, but it's more likely to come from a wolf than a human.  This also is an example of filler that didn't get addressed in point 3 because that would be repetitive.

Typo. Plus, if I was a wolf, I would take much more care with posting, and not making posts like that. See "Zpmbies"

First, there's the fact that he advocated that the guardian shouldn't claim to BDS on Night 1.  There was no chance king was going to be counterclaimed.  Suggesting that the guardian not claim is just disruptive to the alliance.

At that point I thought that Kings council could have claimed king, plus, not everyone had claimed not king.

If I had to rank the points in terms of how important they are in my decision to vote Yugi, it's 2>3>5>4>1.  If you want me to vote for someone else, you should respond to them in that order, Yugi.

see i pot them in the order you suggested now you have to vote for someone else

[Bird]

By the way, I'm under the assumption (and I hope everyone else is as well) that the vote leader in the first 36 hours of this 48 hour phase will be the person we all vote for. So go ahead and, like verm, vote for whoever you think should get lynched this phase.

I don't think Yugi is human, but I think Greg and FSM are more suspicious. I'll be making a post about that when it's not 4:30 AM though!!!

[Bird]

Oh, and since it wasn't really clear, when I said "I don't think Yugi is human" I meant that he may or may not be human, but FSM and Greg are higher on my list.

[fank009]

Bubbles should have been on BDS:/ That gambit :/
Well To me... This is an easy decision, Just go kick the wolves one by one... Finding Council is top priority though, (because there is something nagging me... dont know what it is, but my "perfect" plan doesnt seem so perfect, maybe its cause "everyones a human")
 
Ill post more detailed thoughts later when i have the time :/

Bubbles/dude LEAD US, WE need to be led... lead us away from this tyrant rule we are under

[Dude]

People I think are human:
Me
Bubbles
FSM

People I think are suspicious:
Verm
Yugi
Bird
Gzg

People that I have no idea for or against:
fank009

In order of most likely being a wolf my thoughts are: gzg = Yugi > verm = bird > fank009 > FSM

Well?