TWG 63: Second Chances1. Master Wolf Shaman - Wolf seered green. Also has seer powers.
2. Wolf Corpse Mangler - At any point in the game, has the ability to mangle a corpse preventing it from coming back to life or communicating with/through the medium. Two uses. Manglings are announced publicly.
3. Wolf Assassin - Makes a second wolfing each night phase separate from the Master Wolf and Corpse Mangler's wolfing. Can freely communicate with dead players.
4. Traitor-Shaman - Doesn't count for the wolves. Has seer powers. Every day phase, can create a message to be posted in the thread.
5. Megakiller - Vigilante. Power only works on nights 1 and 2. Must kill someone on those nights or else he dies. If that player would die through other means (e.g. the wolves are already wolfing that person, or if the other Megakiller submits their kill PM first) the Megakiller dies.
6. Megakiller - Vigilante. Power only works on nights 1 and 2. Must kill someone on those nights or else he dies. If that player would die through other means (e.g. the wolves are already wolfing that person, or if the other Megakiller submits their kill PM first) the Megakiller dies.
7. Medium - Can freely talk to dead players via PM. Can also sacrifice this ability to allow one dead player to freely communicate in the thread (without voting). This is canceled if the dead player's corpse gets mangled.
8. Seer - Just an ordinary seer. Can sacrifice seering for one night phase to find out how many wolves are left in the game.
9. Angel - Can revive one lynched player after death. If the other Angel dies first, becomes an ordinary human. Thinks he's a human, finds out who he is after death.
10. Angel - Can revive one lynched player after death. If the other Angel dies first, becomes an ordinary human. Thinks he's a human, finds out who he is after death.
11. Millwright - Thinks he's a human.
12. Herring - Thinks he's a human.
13. Human14. Human---
Other Important InformationOn Days 1 and 2, players vote on who should be lynched as well as which player (who died in the last night phase) should be brought back to life. Wolf powers (on each sub-team) are pooled. This includes those of the traitor. So if the traitor dies, the Wolf Assassin gets totem and seer powers. If one wolf fails to submit a PM for their powers, the other wolf on that team can do so. The Human and Megakiller PMs were done through BCC.
Order of Operations:Night Phase: Seering->Wolf Kills->Megakiller Kills->Corpse Mangling->Revives/Medium Bringing Back Player
Day Phase: Revive Vote->Lynch->Mangling->Medium Bringing Back Player
Human Role PM:QuoteYou are a Human, although it's possible that you're an Angel, Herring or Millwright.
Changes from the sign-up thread:- Mangler has two uses, which are publicly announced.
- Wolf Assassin now has Medium powers.
- Seer now only has to sacrifice a single seering to determine the number of wolves left.
- Manglings now come after the revive vote.
Clarifications:- Wolf Assassin's medium powers are limited to communication with dead players.
- Medium powers can only be used by living players. If the medium or Wolf Assassin dies, they're the same as every other corpse.
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1. The_Subjective_Thought
2. spitllama
3. BlackDragonSlayer
4. Mashi
5. vermilionvermin
6. NocturneOfShadow
7. Dude
8. Kman96
9. k-NiGhT
10. fank009
11. Greg
12. JDMEK5
13. Olimar12345
14. Toby
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Please read through the changes made to this game since the sign-ups (posted in "Other Important Information"). If you have any questions about the game, please send me a PM rather than posting them in the thread, and then I will relay any clarifications that must be made to the thread.
It is now Night 1. Night 1 ends in two days on Thursday, January 9th at 9:00 PM Central Time (10:00 Eastern). Good luck!Chatroom Link (http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)
Night 1 (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6053.msg236479#msg236479)
Day 1 (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6053.msg236675#msg236675)
Night 2 (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6053.msg236973#msg236973)
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Story: Any resemblance to real life people or NSM users is purely coincidental.
Spoiler
One day, three very close friends decided to go camping. To spice it up though, they decided it should be in a graveyard. They brought some shovels in case they needed to dig up some dead bodies, some matches and marshmallows in case they wanted a campfire, a flashlight in case they wanted to tell any scary stories, and a revolver in case any of them was secretly a werewolf.
"Are you sure we need to bring this gun? I don't think any of us are werewolves," said spitllama.
"Of course I'm sure," BlackDragonSlayer explained for the 20th time, voice full of exasperation. "What is with you people? It's a full moon!"
"But they're not even real..."
"Look, spit, it's just a precaution. I promise I won't shoot either of you if you don't start turning into animals or something. Plus it's always possible that there could be other werewolves there, those dudes love camping in graveyards."
JDMEK5 didn't really see the point of taking a side in the argument. He'd seen his fair share of bloodthirsty maneating monsters, but he really didn't think it would be an issue. "Alright, let's go."
It was a quick 11 hour hike to the graveyard, and by the time they arrived, the moon was shining bright in the pitch-black sky. "Well," spitllama began, "I guess none of us are werewolves then."
"What are you talking about! Don't you know the first thing about werewolves?" BlackDragonSlayer shouted back, waving the gun around like a crazy person. "They transform when they want to transform. Like if they want to eat someone, or do something kinky or whatever."
BlackDragonSlayer's yells echoed through the graveyard, and suddenly JDMEK5 began to feel like they weren't alone. That's because they weren't alone, and there were actually five other people camping in the graveyard!
Completely independently, and extremely conveniently for this story, The_Subjective_Thought, Mashi, Dude, Kman96 and fank009 had also decided that it was the perfect night for graveyard camping. They had brought an axe, some graham crackers and chocolate, a defibrillator, and 3 hammocks. They would have brought more, but Mashi and Dude are a couple so they can share, and fank009 is crazy and part squirrel so he sleeps in trees.
JDMEK5, who happened to be friends with everyone in both groups, introduced everyone. Soon they were all best friends. The night was still young, but to him it looked like this was shaping up to be the best graveyard camping trip ever...
...as long as nobody was brutally murdered in the night, that is.
So I'm definitely in it this time :D
Not much happens during Night Phase 1, does it...
Weeeee my first night phase in over a year, I think! Maybe. I'm not sure, I haven't counted in a while.
I'm glad to be back!
So the wolf assassin has medium powers...
Does that mean he can sacrifice them to bring someone back from the dead?
QuoteCan freely communicate with dead players.
Did your role PM phrase this portion of the role list differently?
Are we doing this already?
Goody.
What I'm referring to is that under the Wolf Assassain role it states he "has medium powers."
The powers of the medium include the sacrificing for communication thing. I misphrased it in my first post.
Sorry I've screwed up again. The place where it states he has medium powers is the changes from sign ups.
I'm looking at the Sign-ups and it doesn't say that. It doesn't mention the Medium powers at all and hasn't been edited since before this thread went up.
Changes from the sign ups section in this thread.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 08, 2014, 02:37:02 AMI'm looking at the Sign-ups and it doesn't say that. It doesn't mention the Medium powers at all and hasn't been edited since before this thread went up.
Vermilion is denying the truth... must be a woof :P
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 08, 2014, 02:16:49 AMDid your role PM phrase this portion of the role list differently?
Quote from: The_Subjective_Thought on January 07, 2014, 09:14:12 PMDoes that mean he can sacrifice them to bring someone back from the dead?
See:
Quote from: Bird on January 07, 2014, 05:31:59 PMIf you have any questions about the game, please send me a PM rather than posting them in the thread, and then I will relay any clarifications that must be made to the thread.
Assuming those questions were directed at me, of course. As for actual responses:
- A number of changes were made to the roles and mechanics between the sign-up thread and this one. All of them can be found in the "Changes from the sign-up thread" subsection of the "Other Important Information" section of the original post of this thread (as The_Subjective_Thought mentioned). None of them are that significant besides the Assassin receiving medium powers which could very easily backfire anyway!
- No. I should have been more specific. He has a more limited version of the actual Medium's powers, where he can freely communicate with dead players, but cannot impart on them the ability to speak to the thread.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 08, 2014, 02:16:49 AMDid your role PM phrase this portion of the role list differently?
This immediately strikes me as odd... Does anyone experienced think so?
verm verm, we're not allowed to discuss Role PM information, Mister!!!
Also, while we're on the topic, I am the Wolf Assassin, the other two Wolves should claim to me so we can do stuff and then win!!!
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 08, 2014, 05:25:50 AMThis immediately strikes me as odd... Does anyone experienced think so?
Not really. I think Verm's wrong, though. It's a fairly reasonable question to ask, and I think that if TST really were that role he would have PM'ed Bird about it. Then again, reverse psychology.
Anyway, we need to decide what to do about the Megakillers. I was thinking about having one claim but it's really easy for one of the wolves to false claim a Megakiller and I'm not sure how to get around that.
There are going to be 4 deaths tonight ;_;
Not a fan.
Quote from: Greg on January 08, 2014, 08:45:45 AMNot really. I think Verm's wrong, though. It's a fairly reasonable question to ask, and I think that if TST really were that role he would have PM'ed Bird about it. Then again, reverse psychology.
Anyway, we need to decide what to do about the Megakillers. I was thinking about having one claim but it's really easy for one of the wolves to false claim a Megakiller and I'm not sure how to get around that.
Megakillers die if they don't kill. I think the Megakillers could claim and then discuss who they want to vigi, and if they don't die after 2 nights then it was a false claim. Would this work? If not what are the problems?
The Megakillers don't die after two nights unless they miss their night 2 kill. Also, the wolves could easily just kill them instead.
@spit there's also tons of revivals flying around though!
Quote from: Greg on January 08, 2014, 10:19:55 AMThe Megakillers don't die after two nights unless they miss their night 2 kill. Also, the wolves could easily just kill them instead.
Oh right. So bad idea for Megakillers to claim. Sorry but I still haven't figured out all the bits and pieces of this game yet xD
Just letting you guys know now that I might not be as active as I have been before. However, I might just be as active, or even more!
I don't really see any use for claiming just now.
I'd suggest a Mashi seering if there are no better options. If he turns up red we can lynch him the next day and if it turns out he was an angel he can revive someone that was wolfed and then we can have our alliance leader!
In which case I'd suggest no vigi's being made or we maybe come together as a thread and vote on possibly 1 person to be vigi'd so at least we have one kill in our favor.
Quote from: Toby on January 08, 2014, 11:20:39 AMI'd suggest a Mashi seering if there are no better options. If he turns up red we can lynch him the next day and if it turns out he was an angel he can revive someone that was wolfed and then we can have our alliance leader!
In which case I'd suggest no vigi's being made or we maybe come together as a thread and vote on possibly 1 person to be vigi'd so at least we have one kill in our favor.
its a somewhat good idea toby, but setups with no angel, dont allow for an "alliance leader" for the whole game, more of a run and gun style. (also WHAT YA DOING WITH THE SEER???!!!??? :/)
And Mashi should die anyway. He didnt claim the please. :P
Really suspicious in my book :P
Just a quick reminder that there's a chatroom link at the bottom of the first post.
Quote from: Toby on January 08, 2014, 11:20:39 AMI'd suggest a Mashi seering if there are no better options...
...In which case I'd suggest no vigi's being made or we maybe come together as a thread and vote on possibly 1 person to be vigi'd so at least we have one kill in our favor...
Mashi is probably a human. If he isn't, he's probably a special who thinks he's human. He did this in that other one, and I think it's just a joke of his. Someone better tell The_Subjective_Thought :P
Although the vigi discussion could be worthwhile, we can't really force the megakillers to kill who we want, can we? It would probably be best to wait until tomorrow anyway, for more info.
Oh wait megakillers can kill on night 2 as well so it doesn't have to be by tomorrow. I can't edit earlier posts can I.
Quote from: Toby on January 08, 2014, 11:20:39 AMI'd suggest a Mashi seering if there are no better options. If he turns up red we can lynch him the next day and if it turns out he was an angel he can revive someone that was wolfed and then we can have our alliance leader!
In which case I'd suggest no vigi's being made or we maybe come together as a thread and vote on possibly 1 person to be vigi'd so at least we have one kill in our favor.
Allllrighty then!
Well, Mashi or Verm: either would be fine.
If anyone knows mashi the way I do, you know that he's frivolous. It's a very high chance that he is false claiming in order to start such debate. However, I am also speculative of Verm's post referring to the role PM, as he consciously implied that another player received a wolf role pm. Nice reverse psychology!
It's unfortunate that there is no guardian this game, otherwise I'd highly suggest the seer to claim, leaving the human side without a possible alliance leader.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 08, 2014, 01:31:41 PMSomeone better tell The_Subjective_Thought
My gambit was brilliant and would have worked too, if bird hadn't been obliged to mention such a role didn't exist. >:(
verm is tots evil let's kill him
Quote from: The_Subjective_Thought on January 08, 2014, 01:55:35 PMMy gambit was brilliant and would have worked too, if bird hadn't been obliged to mention such a role didn't exist. >:(
"And I would've gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids!"
Why are you guys trying to prove Mashi is human. If he is human he is trying to catch the wolves... :/
Quote from: Kman96 on January 08, 2014, 01:48:10 PMIt's a very high chance that he is false claiming in order to start such debate.
Please make this more obvious mmkay thx
Quote from: Toby on January 08, 2014, 02:14:11 PMWhy are you guys trying to prove Mashi is human. If he is human he is trying to catch the wolves... :/
No one is trying to prove he's human. He's given no evidence of his humanity. We're simply discussing his claim most likely being false.
Thanks for the sarcasm, spit. ;P
Post to say I'm paying attention.
K, now going to bed, good night.
Quote from: Dude on January 08, 2014, 02:38:42 PMPost to say I'm paying attention.
K, now going to bed, good night.
wait dude you forgot to send in the wolfing now who will i wolf
Checking in and also heading to the chat for a bit.
Edit: chat is barren :C
Oh F**k, I forgot you can't edit posts here! I swear I only added that edit section :C
Quote from: Dude on January 08, 2014, 02:38:42 PMPost to say I'm paying attention.
K, now going to bed, good night.
nvm eating chinese while watching anime, then going to bed.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 08, 2014, 02:41:38 PMwait dude you forgot to send in the wolfing now who will i wolf
obvious wolf is obvious
Ok, so I'm thinking the Medium should claim so we can get all the specials together.
good idea y/n?
A Medium claim makes a lot of sense, actually. I don't have any problems with it.
Quote from: Bird on January 07, 2014, 05:31:59 PMNight 1 ends in two days on Thursday, January 9th at 9:00 Central Time (10:00 Eastern).
Ahhhhhhh is this AM or PM?? Bird?
PM.
If we do it, we need to be really quick about it so the alliance is set up before the start of Day 1. That means that everyone claims to the Medium regardless of their role. For newer players, "claiming" refers to one of two concepts. When we suggest that the Medium claim to the thread, that means that the Medium tells everyone in the thread who they are. At this point, that player is trustworthy. Then comes the second meaning of the word "claim". Everyone sends a PM to the medium telling the medium what role they are.
None of the Wolves have claimed to me yet???
Also, I agree with the Medium claiming plan, but I worry about it being a bit late to enact it; it seems a bit risky to have the Medium claim, be checked for no counterclaims, and then have all the Specials claim. However, claiming Day 1 is potentially riskier, since the Medium may possibly be killed by chance.
So if the Medium wants to help set up an alliance, it would be best to claim promptly this Phase.
I think the medium claiming is a bad idea in that they will most likely be killed.
The fact the wolves have two kills to utilise as well as the lack of guard powers means it's practically suicide.
We could potentially resurrect the medium through use of the vote however they will likely be killed again the next night.
And as a reminder, the medium cannot use any of his/her powers while dead. Same goes for the Wolf Assassin.
The medium should still claim. Yeah, we'll lose the Medium's power after Night 1, assuming his corpse gets mangled.
I'm willing to sacrifice that small, small chance of a medium having any huge impact on the game for an alliance and a guarantee that the vigis and seerings are used well. We're talking about two killings controlled by humans in a game with four specials, not to mention however many seerings we get off. I think it's fair to sacrifice the medium, which is by far the least useful of the four specials, for an alliance.
Fine.
You've convinced me.
I'm the Medium.
I hope to kingdom come and back that you aren't a wolf.
Now that we all know you're the medium, what do we do with it? And how do we make sure that the wolf assassin doesn't assassinate you?
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 09, 2014, 03:12:04 AMNow that we all know you're the medium, what do we do with it? And how do we make sure that the wolf assassin doesn't assassinate you?
-we are supposed to claim (as verm said)
-we cant. (unless wolves want to improvise)
Verm, you DONT see the strength in a medium? and considering wolves have medium powers as well... not to mention, the medium can tell us "HOW MANY WOLVES ARE LEFT" in a stage of a game :/
Maybe I see the medium being more useful, but thats just my take.
Quote from: fank009 on January 09, 2014, 04:12:24 AM-we are supposed to claim (as verm said)
-we cant. (unless wolves want to improvise)
Verm, you DONT see the strength in a medium? and considering wolves have medium powers as well... not to mention, the medium can tell us "HOW MANY WOLVES ARE LEFT" in a stage of a game :/
Maybe I see the medium being more useful, but thats just my take.
How does the medium tell us that? Also I don't really see why wolves having medium powers would do anything. Can't they just talk to the dead then? So claiming to people would be a bad idea, because if they died the wolf could talk to them?
NocturneOfShadow, it's expected that the Medium will be wolfed this Phase. The Medium's Role is to act as an alliance head for this Phase to unite the Seer and Megakillers.
The Seer and Megakillers should claim to The_Subjective_Thought, anyway. I don't think that the Wolves would be audacious enough to false claim, but if we're wary, I suggest claiming at least a few hours before the Phase ends so that The_Subjective_Thought can inform you all of your identities.
Oooh now I get it :D wow that's a good idea. So the seer can see people then if they're wolves the megakillers can kill them! Now I get why having kills as humans is so good :D Thanks for clearing that up. So a megakiller or seer should pm him. What about humans? Should we pm saying we're human or is that too hard to counterclaim?
You might as well tell him what you are if you're normal human.
Quote from: fank009 on January 09, 2014, 04:12:24 AMVerm, you DONT see the strength in a medium? and considering wolves have medium powers as well... not to mention, the medium can tell us "HOW MANY WOLVES ARE LEFT" in a stage of a game :/
Maybe I see the medium being more useful, but thats just my take.
fank, I believe you have your roles confused. The medium is not able to tell how many wolves are left, they are simply able to freely communicate with dead players and/or allow one dead player to continuously partake in discussions. The SEER has the ability to trade in their power on any night and be able to see how many wolves are left (useless at this point), not the medium.
Quote from: Greg on January 09, 2014, 06:42:21 AMYou might as well tell him what you are if you're normal human.
Greg this is contradictory- we couldnt tell them anything else, because the humans are only told that they are human. We all have the possibility of being an Angel, a Millwright or Herring. All we can say is human, the rest is obvious.
Quote from: Kman96 on January 09, 2014, 07:09:43 AMThe SEER has the ability to trade in their power on any night and be able to see how many wolves are left (useless at this point), not the medium.
This would explain my confusion. So the seer is probably more important than the medium? And if The_Subjective_Thought isn't the medium the real one better step up before the end of the day D:
I've claimed to TST, I'd suggest everyone else to do so too.
Quote from: Kman96 on January 09, 2014, 07:09:43 AMfank, I believe you have your roles confused.
I do have my roles confused, Note to self, dont make a "big post" when you are sleepy.
I still see some potential in the medium. but since TST has been outed...
apart of me thinks its telling asking for the medium to come out, but maybe im thinking too much on it.
You make me sound like a closet case or something.
Quote from: fank009 on January 09, 2014, 10:33:01 AMI still see some potential in the medium. but since TST has been outed...
The Medium's usefulness is generally reduced by the Wolf Corpse Mangler, especially the power to "allow one dead player to freely communicate in the thread." Still, in many cases, it can be helpful to have the opinions of dead people. :P
The medium potential use is really only a minimal impact as a communicator late game and as a counter to part of the wolf assassin.
Getting an alliance up is really the most beneficial thing I can do.
Second semester is starting next week so I will probably be slightly less active in the sense that I won't be devoting so much effort trying to figure this darned game out!!!
Added a story to the second post. Update coming in 20 minutes.
Nice camping story.
Frank did you know you were part squirrel?
Spoiler
1. Master Wolf Shaman - Wolf seered green. Also has seer powers.
2. Wolf Corpse Mangler - At any point in the game, has the ability to mangle a corpse preventing it from coming back to life or communicating with/through the medium. Two uses. Manglings are announced publicly.
3. Wolf Assassin - Makes a second wolfing each night phase separate from the Master Wolf and Corpse Mangler's wolfing. Can freely communicate with dead players.
4. Traitor-Shaman - Doesn't count for the wolves. Has seer powers. Every day phase, can create a message to be posted in the thread.
5. Megakiller - Vigilante. Power only works on nights 1 and 2. Must kill someone on those nights or else he dies. If that player would die through other means (e.g. the wolves are already wolfing that person, or if the other Megakiller submits their kill PM first) the Megakiller dies.
6. Megakiller - Vigilante. Power only works on nights 1 and 2. Must kill someone on those nights or else he dies. If that player would die through other means (e.g. the wolves are already wolfing that person, or if the other Megakiller submits their kill PM first) the Megakiller dies.
7. Medium - Can freely talk to dead players via PM. Can also sacrifice this ability to allow one dead player to freely communicate in the thread (without voting). This is canceled if the dead player's corpse gets mangled.
8. Seer - Just an ordinary seer. Can sacrifice seering for one night phase to find out how many wolves are left in the game.
9. Angel - Can revive one lynched player after death. If the other Angel dies first, becomes an ordinary human. Thinks he's a human, finds out who he is after death.
10. Angel - Can revive one lynched player after death. If the other Angel dies first, becomes an ordinary human. Thinks he's a human, finds out who he is after death.
11. Millwright - Thinks he's a human.
12. Herring - Thinks he's a human.
13. Human
14. Human
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Other Important Information
On Days 1 and 2, players vote on who should be lynched as well as which player (who died in the last night phase) should be brought back to life. Wolf powers (on each sub-team) are pooled. This includes those of the traitor. So if the traitor dies, the Wolf Assassin gets totem and seer powers. If one wolf fails to submit a PM for their powers, the other wolf on that team can do so. The Human and Megakiller PMs were done through BCC.
Order of Operations:
Night Phase: Seering->Wolf Kills->Megakiller Kills->Corpse Mangling->Revives/Medium Bringing Back Player
Day Phase: Revive Vote->Lynch->Mangling->Medium Bringing Back Player
After a long night of scary stories, truth or dare, and seven minutes in heaven using a nearby mausoleum, the gang decided it was time to go to sleep. Everybody went to their respective hammock/mound of dirt/tree and got some well-earned rest.
Until a scream split the night, followed by two gunshots. Instantly everyone was awake, except for fank009 who fell out of his tree and was knocked unconscious. "Did anyone see what happened?" asked vermilionvermin, cool and collected even during a crisis. Kman96 gasped and pointed to a shadowy shape on the apex of the graveyard's tallest hill.
When they edged closer to investigate, they saw what looked like two bodies. The corpse on top was easily identifiable, mainly 'cuz Dude threw himself over the body and began to weep. "Mashi..." He was getting blood all over his nice white shirt, plus it was making it hard for everyone else to identify the other body. They pushed him out of the way and told him to stop being such a baby.
The other body was much harder to identify, because it was mangled beyond all recognition. Verm's quick thinking helped them figure out who it was; he noticed that the dismembered body parts formed a message on the ground:
"This was The_Subjective_Thought. We killed him, and will kill all of you too.
Love, The Werewolves"
There was a smoking gun next to the two bodies, two of the six bullets missing. It was good news for future games of Russian Roulette, but terrible news for defending themselves.
"I
so told you guys!" BDS said.
"Too bad the gun you brought didn't help Mashi or The_Subjective_Thought," spitllama retorted.
"You don't know that! Maybe The_Subjective_Thought was getting attacked by Mashi so he shot him?"
"That doesn't even make sense, TST was still eaten."
"Well..." BDS stopped to think. "
Somebody had to have used the gun. Or maybe even more than one person."
"And
somebody is a werewolf! Or more than one person, if the message is to be trusted."
While BDS and spitllama were bickering, and while Dude was sobbing and getting his shirt all bloody, vermilionvermin was coming up with a plan. He knew that they couldn't stay in the graveyard, it was clearly not safe. And they couldn't go back to town, it was an 11 hour hike and very unsafe. He looked around, and saw an extremely conveniently placed mansion. "We can stay there until we get this all figured out.
* * *
The mansion was inhabited by four other people: K-NiGhT (the Butler), Olimar12345 (the Gardener), Toby (the Maid), and Greg. Greg was the owner of the estate, and was a famous recluse. He never came out of his room for anything except bathroom breaks.
vermillionvermin and Kman96 explained the situation to the mansion's staff, and the staff told them that they would call the police immediately. Olimar12345 on the other hand, knew it was time to alert the Master, to let him know it was happening again. He went to the third floor to knock on Greg's door. But he stopped when he noticed the puddle spilling out of the room. Blood.
Kicking the door down, he found Greg face-down, not breathing. A note was left on the desk:
"Nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide.
Love, The Werewolves"
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1. The_Subjective_Thought MANGLED!!2. spitllama
3. BlackDragonSlayer
4. Mashi5. vermilionvermin
6. NocturneOfShadow
7. Dude
8. Kman96
9. k-NiGhT
10. fank009
11. Greg12. JDMEK5
13. Olimar12345
14. Toby
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Mashi and Greg have died. The_Subjective_Thought died, and his corpse was mangled beyond recognition. It is now Day 1. Day 1 ends in two days on Saturday, January 11th at 9:00 PM Central Time (10:00 Eastern). In other words, in 48 hours from now. Good luck!
Chatroom Link (http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)
Night 1 (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6053.msg236479#msg236479)
Day 1 (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6053.msg236675#msg236675)
Son of a-
Wait he can still talk in the thread???
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 09, 2014, 07:08:18 PMWait he can still talk in the thread???
All players who are wolfed or killed during the night phase are allowed ONE death post. I don't believe it applies to those killed during day phases.
Bird, did you intentionally not reveal which deaths were wolfings?
If so, WHYYYYYYY
Story updated. Try not to analyze it too much, it's just silly and random.
Oh, and just so we're clear, put your lynch vote in red and your revive vote in blue! Your votes for either will still be counted so long as they're clear, but it'll make it easier for me.
WELL SHIT.
K good luck.
Bird.
Whoever shot mashi needs a slap, obvious trap is obvious.
Sherlock fank also deducts that mashi AND greg were the super vigs, got shot by said vigs, with tst being mangled both sides
Yay I didn't die and I get to keep playing! Boo idk what to make of all this. Anyone wanna chat?
I'm probably the only one at home in the graveyard. :3
Anyway, what now? Stay quiet until near the end of the phase and let the lynch be rushed? Sure, why n...
NO! We must discuss, now!
WELL THEN.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 09, 2014, 09:45:01 PMAnyone wanna chat?
I would... but nobody else is there (aside from Bird).
In the chat for ~45 minutes until class starts.
Can we revive TST? If so he's obvious. If not then I think Mashi is more likely to be a human than Greg. Will figure out my lynch vote sooooon!
Greg
I don't trust Mashi one bit.
Why don't you trust Mashi? Can you explain what he did? I must've missed something...
Me too? It seems like this sort of thing is typical of Mashi and every time he does it he gets lynched. I don't think he's a wolf, if anything he's a special, but probably human.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 10, 2014, 05:21:13 AMCan we revive TST?
No. His body was mangled.
I'm sorry I've been so touch-and-go recently, I've been surprisingly busy as the school year has gotten started. I will post a more thorough analysis of the situations when school gets out in a few hours. For now, safety on
BDS.
Quote from: Mashi on January 08, 2014, 05:31:17 AMAlso, while we're on the topic, I am the Wolf Assassin, the other two Wolves should claim to me so we can do stuff and then win!!!
I'm like 99% sure he was serious about this.
Changing from Mashi to Greg.
More upset about TST's death than Mashi's. Of the few games I have played mashi always seems to be up to no good. Greg would be my vote.
Alright i suppose Greg, since that seems to be the general concensus.
Another clarification: due to the nature of mediums and revives in this game, living players are not permitted to send game-relevant PMs to dead players, even if they are not expecting a response.
I'd rather see Mashi revived. Keep in mind that at least one of those two deaths (probably both, but at least one) was done by the Megakillers. I think it's much less likely that TST had Mashi offed so early. Mashi strikes me more as a wolf target. Mashi also did this sort of thing before in 2fool4skool and he was a human then. I think it's likely he's a human now!
I don't know about lynching, though. I'll do some interrogation tonight!
aaaaaaaaand Verm
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 10, 2014, 02:13:23 PMI'd rather see Mashi revived. Keep in mind that at least one of those two deaths (probably both, but at least one) was done by the Megakillers. I think it's much less likely that TST had Mashi offed so early. Mashi strikes me more as a wolf target. Mashi also did this sort of thing before in 2fool4skool and he was a human then. I think it's likely he's a human now!
I don't know about lynching, though. I'll do some interrogation tonight!
Or it's possible that the megakillers targeted both Greg and Mashi (or that Mashi was the only megakiller target)? Since there are only three deaths, unless both wolf teams targeted TST, we know that
somebody might not have used their kill, but not necessarily who.
Anyways, although I'd love to see Mashi revived, I must say that I feel safer with reviving
Greg. Now all that's left to discuss is the lynch (*pokepoke* *hinthint*)
I've had a weird feeling about verm for a while, if anything else comes up I'll change it.
Quote from: Dude on January 10, 2014, 02:27:32 PMaaaaaaaaand Verm
(I should've looked at updated posts before I posted :<)
Interesting that you'd vote for Verm; I suggested him as one of the possible megakiller targets (e.g. somebody I'd kill if I were a megakiller). I'm just wondering, though, what's your reasoning behind that (to compare and see if it's similar to mine)?
And preferably you too Nocturne, if possible.
We don't need him. That's all I'll say.
I'll be in the chat. I'd like to talk to Dude if possible.
Hrm. A bit different reasoning from me, but since Nocturne voted as well, I think I might hold off voting for Verm a little bit (to avoid an accidental bandwagon), at least until other people are discussed.
I get the weird feeling of a Dude and Nocturne wolf partnership happening. Both votes for Verm without much reasoning strikes me as odd.
And who killed Greg?
i never get to play with my master of twg why do you kill him
Greg
Mashi claimed Assassin and until we know more, I'd rather not revive a possible wolf.
I honestly don't know how active I'm going to be able to be since I'm starting to question my new 'virus protector', but I'll try be as active as I can!
After chatting to verm and keeping in mind my earlier discussion on the basics of TWG with greg, I'm recalling my vote on verm for now. I haven't seen Kman and knight play before but they both seem terribly bored. In a chat with Olimar stating that Knight it always like this, and given Toby's sudden appearance, I'll vote for Kman or JDMEK5... not sure which yet.
My phone keeps disconnecting me from the chat :(
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 10, 2014, 04:37:41 PMAfter chatting to verm and keeping in mind my earlier discussion on the basics of TWG with greg, I'm recalling my vote on verm for now. I haven't seen Kman and knight play before but they both seem terribly bored. In a chat with Olimar stating that Knight it always like this, and given Toby's sudden appearance, I'll vote for Kman or JDMEK5... not sure which yet.
Just wondering, but did anybody save the chatlog so that it can be posted here?
Haha I've been talking so much that it's long gone, but for all intents and purposes:
Nocturne: Knight seems like a bored human
Olimar12345: he's always like that
Nocturne: oh.
so the only reason you vote for verm is because he gave a logical reason for mashi possibly being human or even a special.
Dude. That's uber sketch to me.
Quote from: K-NiGhT on January 10, 2014, 06:45:42 PMso the only reason you vote for verm is because he gave a logical reason for mashi possibly being human or even a special.
Dude. That's uber sketch to me.
It really isn't. The only reason you vote for dude is because he doesn't give a reason? Maybe he just didn't give it. Anyway after some chatting with certain people I'm putting a lynch vote on JDMEK5 (bet you didn't know he was in game) whether this is a safety or a lynch vote is up to you guys. I don't care either way.
Quote from: K-NiGhT on January 10, 2014, 06:45:42 PMso the only reason you vote for verm is because he gave a logical reason for mashi possibly being human or even a special.
Dude. That's uber sketch to me.
a logical explanation????
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 10, 2014, 02:13:23 PMI'd rather see Mashi revived. Keep in mind that at least one of those two deaths (probably both, but at least one) was done by the Megakillers. I think it's much less likely that TST had Mashi offed so early. Mashi strikes me more as a wolf target. Mashi also did this sort of thing before in 2fool4skool and he was a human then. I think it's likely he's a human now!
I don't know about lynching, though. I'll do some interrogation tonight!
Let me point out the swiss cheese that is verms theory (in this post)
remember those megakillers? if the target dies, they die... so with 3 deaths, and TST mangled, we can assume he was the wolf's target. and that mashi AND greg were shot by the mega killers.
we need to take into account dude's actions... (to somewhat understand) Dude wants greg > mashi. no way in hell is Mashi > greg... someone comes in, and says mashi was probably the wolf kill (that flawed logic), and wants mashi > greg... and you have one part of a valid vote.
While I dont know what dude is thinking, I do have my own theory, I don't trust many people here with a 3inch pole, verm can more than easily be setting up to bring his partner back who was (unexpectantly) killed. under the guise, of him being a wolf kill.
In my opinion verms explanation is flawed, and dude's vote is somewhat decent. making your counter vote argument invalid.
it doesnt help your case in the fact that dude is an easy target to argue as being a wolf.
isn't that right
K-night?
Greg for the save me vote cause We had a good chat session yesterday and among other things. (like verm wanting mashi back)
Okay, I've been going through the thread, nitpicking through several posts, feeling the need to acknowledge certain things. Here goes:
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 08, 2014, 02:16:49 AMDid your role PM phrase this portion of the role list differently?
This was very clever on Verm's part by trying to play on TST's n00bishness by implying that he was a wolf due to the several questions he had on a specific role. It's a shame that TST didn't quite pick up what Verm was doing, and so he didn't get the trick, but it was a longshot, anyway.
Quote from: Mashi on January 08, 2014, 05:31:17 AMI am the Wolf Assassin, the other two Wolves should claim to me so we can do stuff and then win!!!
I have sufficient reason to believe that this was possibly true. I will get to this later.
Quote from: fank009 on January 08, 2014, 12:10:31 PMAnd Mashi should die anyway.
Taken slightly out of context, and with less smilies, but suspicious nonetheless. Whether for a goofy reason or a precarious one, its possible Fank may have been behind it, or even that someone could be placing him under suspicion through this method.
Quote from: The_Subjective_Thought on January 09, 2014, 12:08:51 AMI think the medium claiming is a bad idea in that they will most likely be killed.
The fact the wolves have two kills to utilise as well as the lack of guard powers means it's practically suicide.
We could potentially resurrect the medium through use of the vote however they will likely be killed again the next night.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 09, 2014, 12:23:27 AMThe medium should still claim. Yeah, we'll lose the Medium's power after Night 1, assuming his corpse gets mangled.
I'm willing to sacrifice that small, small chance of a medium having any huge impact on the game for an alliance and a guarantee that the vigis and seerings are used well. We're talking about two killings controlled by humans in a game with four specials, not to mention however many seerings we get off. I think it's fair to sacrifice the medium, which is by far the least useful of the four specials, for an alliance.
Quote from: The_Subjective_Thought on January 09, 2014, 12:30:23 AMFine.
You've convinced me.
I'm the Medium.
Quote from: The_Subjective_Thought on January 09, 2014, 02:09:12 PMGetting an alliance up is really the most beneficial thing I can do.
Everyone knows by now that TST claimed Medium to the thread, and by now it should also be obvious that he failed quite miserably in his effort (or lack of effort) to patch up a human alliance. Verm's plan to sacrifice the Medium for the sake of the alliance would have worked marvelously had TST picked up his game quick enough. I had a similar plan in my head before he claimed, but was too scared to put my foot forward and take action. In hindsight, with TST's failure, I surely would have succeeded to an extent.
Now that I've laid all this information out on the table, I'd like to take this time to announce that
I am the Seer.During the night phase, I seered Mashi red, meaning that he is either an Angel or a wolf. I mentioned this to Dude privately in the irc, which is why he didn't want mashi to be revived at all, and decided to revive Greg instead. Whether Mashi is Angel or Wolf, I'd rather we leave them both in the ground, because I don't have enough evidence to consider one over the other. Yes, Greg has higher odds of being human, but I'd rather not take that chance. I'm deducing that Verm's wish to see Mashi alive is what angered Dude and Nocturne, as well.
Everyone please pm me claiming your role so I can establish a properly functioning alliance with the three days we have left until next Day phase.
Quote from: Toby on January 08, 2014, 11:20:39 AMI'd suggest a Mashi seering if there are no better options
Huehuehuehue
Side Note:
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 10, 2014, 04:37:41 PMI'm recalling my vote on verm for now.
For this, it's best you write in bold "
No vote" or something similar until you change your vote, otherwise it'll stick with vermillionvermin.
EDIT: Ninja'd.
Quote from: fank009 on January 10, 2014, 07:11:13 PMremember those megakillers? if the target dies, they die...
Wrong. The Megakillers live. It's only if they fail to kill on either night that they die, not if they succeed in killing. They are powerless following night 2.
Okay that's it.
Quote from: Kman96 on January 10, 2014, 07:16:08 PMNow that I've laid all this information out on the table, I'd like to take this time to announce that
I am the Seer.
Um, um, what. Let me repeat that, louder. UM, UM, WHAT!?!?
You're sacrificing yourself this early in the game (remember: there's no guardian, and a wolf corpse mangler), when there are TWO Megakillers (that become powerless after Night 2), whom I assume claimed to TST, and thus know you (assuming all of you claimed, and TST responded to you).
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 10, 2014, 07:26:25 PMYou're sacrificing yourself this early in the game (remember: there's no guardian, and a wolf corpse mangler), when there are TWO Megakillers (that become powerless after Night 2), whom I assume claimed to TST, and thus know you (assuming all of you claimed, and TST responded to you).
Because confirmed humans are better than a seer who never gives an accurate result as to whether someone is human or not (- blue xD)
Quote from: fank009 on January 10, 2014, 07:51:05 PMBecause confirmed humans are better than a seer who never gives an accurate result as to whether someone is human or not (- blue xD)
Three living confirmed humans > Two living confirmed humans who know that everybody claimed "Human." :P
That is, unless nobody claimed to TST, in which case, poor TST. :P
You're also forgetting that the seer "Can sacrifice seering for one night phase to find out how many wolves are left in the game," which is extremely useful late-game (which is when the seer/specials should publicly claim, or when they're in danger of being lynched).
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 10, 2014, 08:04:33 PMThat is, unless nobody claimed to TST, in which case, poor TST. :P
(more like TST didnt organize an aliance)
Im guessing thats the case, Kman was complaining about tst doing a horrible job
Now that I know TST didn't have time to set up the alliance, I feel more comfortable voting for
NocturneofShadow though this vote could easily switch to Dude.
I got the following PM from NocturneOfShadow earlier today:
QuoteYou're the Traitor-Shaman :O
I assumed Nocturne claimed to have seered me orange and was claiming wolf to me. Since I am a human, I assumed that meant I was the millwright. So I PM'd him the following.
QuoteHey there, Nocturne! I guess you've found us then (and you're the shaman). I am the Traitor-Shaman, and I actually seered you green last night. At least I can be sure you're not actually the human seer. Mashi was the assassin (lol he was actually serious about that) so I'm going to push for him to be revived today. I think I can make a fairly reasonable argument for his revival. Who's the Corpse Mangler? I don't want to accidentally lynch a wolf today.
I BCC'd Dude on the PM. This was so that some other player knew that I was lying about what I had said in the PM. I thought it was a real possibility that Nocturne was a human and just performing a reaction test, so I sent my claim to Dude in the hopes that he'd be my witness that I was lying if I needed it. I would've picked a dead player, but I asked Bird about that and he said that was a no-no.
Then Dude and Nocturne voted for me. After talking to Nocturne, I gathered that this was because I had "claimed wolf to him".
I then received the following PM from NocturneOfShadow.
QuoteI will say a few things. Dude says you sent this pm to him too. If you did one of us will have to die. PM back if you need to know more.
I believe that Nocturne and Dude are wolf partners. There's no reason for Dude to ruin my test unless he fears the result. And there's no reason for Nocturne to PM me out of the blue asking if I'm the traitor-assassin in particular. He said in the chat that there was one post of mine during Night 1 that made him suspicious, but that shouldn't make him think that I'm any particular wolf role. This leads me to believe that I am the millwright and was seered orange by NocturneOfShadow, the Master Wolf Shaman.
Revive Votes:
NocturneOfShadow - Greg
Dude - Greg
Olimar12345 - Greg
K-NiGhT - Greg
vermilionvermin - Mashi
BlackDragonSlayer - Greg
Toby - Greg
fank009 - Greg
Lynch Votes:
Kman96 - BDS
Dude - vermilionvermin
K-NiGhT - Dude
NocturneOfShadow - JDMEK5
fank009 - K-NiGhT
vermilionvermin - NocturneOfShadow
Current revive target is Greg.
Current lynch target is TBD.
Phase ends in 20 hours.
Convincing, verm. I'll vote nocturne as well, until a better option rises.
...wait a minute Verm...
Sorry to be a devil's advocate yet again, but you're essentially saying that it's not possible that Dude contacted Nocturne because he thought you were a wolf (especially since Nocturne was the one who initiated the PM chain, not you)? Nocturne's second PM (the one containing "If you did one of us will have to die.") implies that, if Nocturne were a wolf, he would not be associated with Dude. You're also forgetting the fact that YOU brought Dude into the situation. :P
I think there is a great possibility that Nocturne's PMs were, in fact, a reaction test, although less likely than another player who's probably more familiar with using reaction test strategies.
You also say that "there's no reason for Nocturne to PM me out of the blue asking if I'm the traitor-assassin," but:
1: It would make no sense to PM you last night, since the shaman's power would not have occurred yet (obviously)- though it's possible that he was already suspicious of you by then.
2: It actually makes sense for him to ask if you're the traitor-assassin, because there's only one other role that's orange (millwright), but a green or red seering would be more unreliable, and wouldn't necessarily say if you were a wolf or not. Think about it for a minute (or more).
...you know what... I've actually convinced myself of an argument I wasn't entirely sure of before. Thank you Verm.
The reason I'm sure that he wasn't going for a reaction test is because I asked him when it was all over. He said that one post (this one) (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6053.msg236505#msg236505) made him think I might be the wolf assassin. The reason I think it's suspicious of him to ask me about that role in particular is because I think he's lying about his reasons. I think it's much more likely that you're right and he did seer me orange, I'm the millwright, and he's the Master Wolf Shaman. That makes a lot more sense than he saw a post on Night 1 that seemed suspicious, waited until Day 1, and decided to ask me if I was a specific wolf role because of it.
Another reason I'm voting for Nocturne/Dude is because Dude's reaction to the whole thing makes no sense if he's a human. Sure, Dude might have thought I was a wolf. That doesn't justify ruining the reaction test, which is what he was doing by telling Nocturne I'd sent the PM to him as well.
I'm not sure what argument you've convinced yourself of, but it'd be helpful if you explained.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 11, 2014, 01:18:39 AMI think it's much more likely that you're right and he did seer me orange, I'm the millwright, and he's the Master Wolf Shaman.
...I never said that he actually seered you... Just that that would be the best role to choose if you're going for a reaction test, because it's the most believable.
QuoteAnother reason I'm voting for Nocturne/Dude is because Dude's reaction to the whole thing makes no sense if he's a human. Sure, Dude might have thought I was a wolf. That doesn't justify ruining the reaction test, which is what he was doing by telling Nocturne I'd sent the PM to him as well.
Perhaps he didn't think you were doing a reaction test, but Nocturne was (e.g. you were a wolf and planned to flip the tables on Nocturne, who "admitted" he was a wolf, assuming he isn't a wolf). As a wolf, Dude would also have no reason to "ruin" your test either, since he could use everything you said against you (or, more likely, could back Nocturne up).
QuoteI'm not sure what argument you've convinced yourself of, but it'd be helpful if you explained.
I, similarly to Nocturne/Dude (assuming they aren't wolves), thought you might've been a wolf.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 10, 2014, 10:35:39 PMI then received the following PM from NocturneOfShadow.I believe that Nocturne and Dude are wolf partners. There's no reason for Dude to ruin my test unless he fears the result. And there's no reason for Nocturne to PM me out of the blue asking if I'm the traitor-assassin in particular. He said in the chat that there was one post of mine during Night 1 that made him suspicious, but that shouldn't make him think that I'm any particular wolf role. This leads me to believe that I am the millwright and was seered orange by NocturneOfShadow, the Master Wolf Shaman.
being the middle man which I (clearly?) am, Im going to disagree with this hypothesis. (and add more onto BDS's thoughts)
(I do want to know the timing of everything though :/ because that might help.)
-you argue that dude/nocturne are wolf buddehs because dude told nocturne about verms PM. If they were partners, wouldnt noct have consulted with dude about it... and wouldnt the two have done it... WITHOUT ME BEING IN THE CHAT???!!!???
Spoiler
22:30:31: <fank009> he wouldnt have found a megakiller - the alliance yesterday (this is here to prove my presence)
22:30:44: <nocturne> yeah
22:30:46: <nocturne> I guess
22:30:53: <nocturne> but he's been pretty open with his role
22:30:56: <nocturne> :O
22:31:09: <nocturne> do you think that means he's more likely to be the Traitor-Shaman?
22:31:45: <nocturne> what I don't know is if all the wolves know each other
22:31:53: <nocturne> I thought bird said something about that at one point
22:33:02: <dude> ok why did i get that pm
22:33:25: <dude> Nocturne
22:34:03: <nocturne> what pm
22:34:13: <nocturne> did I send you a pm?
22:34:32: <dude> no verm sent you and i guess me as well something?????
22:34:41: <dude> i don't get it
22:35:03: <dude> i'm not even listed it the To: area
22:35:04: <nocturne> did he send you this
22:35:06: <dude> i mean
22:35:12: <nocturne> Hey there, Nocturne! I guess you've found us then (and you're the shaman). I am the Traitor-Shaman, and I actually seered you green last night. At least I can be sure you're not actually the human seer. Mashi was the assassin (lol he was actually serious about that) so I'm going to push for him to be revived today. I think I can make a fairly reasonable
22:35:12: <dude> *In
22:35:15: <dude> yeah
22:35:18: <nocturne> oh boy
22:35:20: <nocturne> I knew it
22:35:24: <nocturne> my source was right
22:35:26: <dude> what
22:35:33: <nocturne> verm was seered yellow
22:35:45: <dude> lol did you say you were a wolf or something?
22:35:53: <nocturne> no
22:35:58: <nocturne> I sent him a PM saying
22:35:59: <dude> oh
22:36:04: <nocturne> You're the traitor-shaman :O
-the fact of noct reaction testing is out of the q?
-Q... why do you make the statement of noct being "master wolf shaman"... you did "fake seer him green", he doesnt need to be the master wolf shaman in order for him to get a "scan on you". (he can relay info his partner gave him)
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 11, 2014, 01:18:39 AMThe reason I'm sure that he wasn't going for a reaction test is because I asked him when it was all over. He said that one post (this one) (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6053.msg236505#msg236505) made him think I might be the wolf assassin.
another good thing to peck at in the sense, you dont have to be said role to know what said role does.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 11, 2014, 12:58:57 AMSorry to be a devil's advocate yet again, but you're essentially saying that it's not possible that Dude contacted Nocturne because he thought you were a wolf (especially since Nocturne was the one who initiated the PM chain, not you)? Nocturne's second PM (the one containing "If you did one of us will have to die.") implies that, if Nocturne were a wolf, he would not be associated with Dude. You're also forgetting the fact that YOU brought Dude into the situation. :P
I think there is a great possibility that Nocturne's PMs were, in fact, a reaction test, although less likely than another player who's probably more familiar with using reaction test strategies.
BDS practically filling in the gaps for me. (and vice versa). As i stated, your initial reasoning has holes when looking at it from the outside, and even when you have both sides of the story it still has holes... in short you are doing one of two things, you are trying to lead the humans with your flawed logic (you should sit back and have a rest), you are trying to take control of the game as a wolf with flawed reasoning... due to your interactions, a part of me seems to believe that you are human... but I cant take away the fact that mashi was seer'd red.
I'll try to find something from the chat today (later) but for now...
Spoiler
22:35:24: <nocturne> my source was right
22:35:26: <dude> what
22:35:33: <nocturne> verm was seered yellow
Noct, you have too many sources.
just a few thoughts...
-anyone who trusts verms logic with no questions deserves to be shot.
-BDS is making sense ? (needs to be shot?)
-verm find the rest of the map before you begin to hunt for treasure
-kman, you better have a good plan to lead the humans :/
-inactives, unless your a wolf, be more active.
also, this game lacks suspicion lists :/
Assuming I can count haha lynch votes are:
2: NocturneOfShadow
1: VermilionVermin
1: k-NiGhT
1: JDMEK5
1: BDS-kman you didn't change your vote, you might want to.
1: Dude
And for revive votes I'm seeing
GREG
with 1 for mashi.
Also I'll admit I've talked to dude a lot, but I've also talked a lot with fank.
I sent that PM to verm thinking he WAS the traitor shaman (I've never gotten a reaction test PM xD) and he'd slip up and give more evidence. But we discussed it in the chat and I realized it probably wasn't true, however there are still a few convincing points.
1) He wants mashi back even though mashi is a confirmed red. This is dangerous.
2) As soon as he realized that I wasn't on his side, he started (angrily in my opinion) defending himself saying he wasn't the Traitor Shaman.
I mean verm is very good at this game so it could be that he's right and I'm wrong, like in the alt account game where he knew what was up but nobody believed him, but yeah :/
And fank ninja'd me with that post and I will say one thing, (this isn't an edit) this could mean I'm NOT actually green. I assumed that I was since verm said so. If he doesn't have seering powers that means I may not be green.
Well, now idk what to think about verm. Until I get some more time to chat, I'm going to safety on one of the inactives. To me, it doesn't make since to lynch an active player for trying something, when there are inactives about. K-NIGHT.
Verm's argument is odd and a Nocturne and Dude partnership does seem rather obvious to be true (but you never know!).
I do find this odd,
QuoteI am the Traitor-Shaman, and I actually seered you green last night. At least I can be sure you're not actually the human seer. Mashi was the assassin (lol he was actually serious about that) so I'm going to push for him to be revived today.
Verm reveals two seer results, which is odd. Kman said he revealed the Mashi seering with Dude and Verm was using Dude as his witness. Which means that if the orange seering on Dude was in fact false, Dude and Verm partnership is likely and would explain the two seering results! Which would also explain why Verm was trying to get Mashi revived and since Dude was in contact with Kman, Dude had to seem like he didn't want Mashi revived and had to turn on Verm.
This is all very complex.
Toby, I find your train of thought odd (I blame verm)
i am odd
Might as well change my revive vote to greg now that Mashi is red
I haven't been inactive intentionally :( i've been at honor band all day.
my lynch target will be Nocturne, purely because I need some time to read through the rest of the thread and see why people are even voting for me in the first place and make a defense if need be
There's 6 hours left until the end of the day phase.
If you haven't already, please send me a claim pm so I can at least patch together an alliance of some sort. I've only gotten one PM.
Thank you.
Quote from: Kman96 on January 11, 2014, 12:59:03 PMThere's 6 hours left until the end of the day phase.
This also means that people need to completely decide a lynch, lest there be a KitB (I haven't really been keeping great track of the votes, but I think the votes between Verm and Nocturne are pretty close?).
Quote from: K-NiGhT on January 11, 2014, 12:56:12 PMI haven't been inactive intentionally :( i've been at honor band all day.
my lynch target will be Nocturne, purely because I need some time to read through the rest of the thread and see why people are even voting for me in the first place and make a defense if need be
my vote is on you due to you jumping on the bandwagon if noct/dude acting "irrationally" and I dont want noct or verm dead just yet. (something toby pointed out is making me think about verms humanity)
Literally reading over the thread as we speak. I will have an educated decision in a bit.
Toby: The reason I said Mashi was my partner in the role PM was because it was a believable lie. I had to tell Nocturne I had
some partner, or my claim wouldn't be believable. Nocturne had already shown willingness to believe that Mashi was a wolf in the thread, and since Mashi was dead, Nocturne couldn't ask him. It also went really well with Mashi's claim of being the assassin. The reason I claimed to have seered Nocturne green was, again, because it was a believable lie, but only if Nocturne was a wolf. At the time, I thought Nocturne was claiming to have seered me orange. If he was the human seer, he'd know I was lying about being a wolf. If he was the Master Wolf Shaman, he wouldn't.
Other incriminating things that cropped up since my last post:
Quote22:35:33: <nocturne> verm was seered yellow
Somehow, Nocturne is in contact with a seer other than Kman who claimed to have seered me yellow last night. Now, that's suspicious in the first place because all seers other than the seer Kman is claiming to be are wolves. He also knew beforehand about the red Mashi seering. So Nocturne's in contact with at least one wolf. But it's also suspicious because I think it's pretty obvious that this seer's lying about being a seer at all. There are no yellow roles in this game. And I'm pretty sure any actual seering result would probably say the word orange instead of yellow, since most seerings read something like.
Quote from: fake seeringVerm is orange
and less importantly:
QuoteAs soon as he realized that I wasn't on his side
A wolf can be a lot more confident than a human that a player isn't on their side.
Spit: I'll be hanging out in the chatroom for a little bit if you want to talk about me or Nocturne.
Kman: Maybe this is against the rules for you to say, but did bird actually say the color red in the seer PM he sent you or did he just color Mashi's name red? The reason I'm asking is because I want to know if Nocturne's mystery seer was lying.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 11, 2014, 03:57:12 PMKman: Maybe this is against the rules for you to say, but did bird actually say the color red in the seer PM he sent you or did he just color Mashi's name red? The reason I'm asking is because I want to know if Nocturne's mystery seer was lying.
I, too, am unsure of the exact rules pertaining to the information you request, but the PM I received had Mashi's name highlighted in red. I hope that helps clear things up.
But, while I have the chance, I'm going to switch my vote to
Nocturne, because he has begun to look far more suspicious than he did in our conversation last night.
Also, I'm still collecting Claims! I only have a few, not nearly enough to make a capable alliance (of course, an alliance is an alliance, but such small numbers are not very helpful. I'll be looking over the day's posts and posting a suspicion list relatively soon. I don't plan to change my vote, but hopefully my second analyzation will help us decide what's direction to look towards next.
I do hope that you aren't sharing your claims with dude, Kman. If dude is special then let him know the specials only and not anything else, I'm not sure how you can trust him.
Wanna make sure I've got this down--
As a controversial character, claiming wolf assassin, the wolves would have liked to keep him in play for as long as possible, even if he did not actually hold that role. On that note, I'm assuming that the wolfings were for Greg and Subjective_Thought. So Mashi was vigi'd by a likely ignorant or paranoid megakiller, and the wolves were not targeting him.
So that almost ensures that
Gregwas human. I also see little reason to revive Mashi since he was seer'd red.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 10, 2014, 04:37:41 PMI'm recalling my vote on verm for now.
For future reference, I'm 99% sure this isn't allowed. You can change, but not remove. And make sure to bold red your lynch votes.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 11, 2014, 12:44:40 PMMight as well change my revive vote to greg now that Mashi is red
lol what took you so long
The seer claim seems foolish to me. No guardian and no seer and no medium means we're left with just one megakiller who doesn't even know who to kill, and regular humans with no control over their abilities.
I've just had a chat with JDMEK who assures me he's not inactive just not posting so I will change my vote for the FINAL time to k-NiGhT (or is it K-nIgHt?) and I'm also asking verm to consider what we talked about in the chat.
Almost out of time so I'm typing quick here: Reviving greg, lynch-votiong Dude.
so apparently it's
k-NiGhT
like this all bolded, red and jazz.
K-Night because better than losing Nocturne atm
OH YES SUCK IT LOOK AT THAT TIME ON THE POST. LOOK AT IT. *hip thrusts everywhere*
Not that it actually did anything.
Anyhow I think it's convenient that verm and nocturne supposedly cleared things up, and then there was never another word about it to influence voters. Even our alliance leader voted for him. Can someone please explain things.
Quote from: spitllama on January 11, 2014, 06:02:37 PMOH YES SUCK IT LOOK AT THAT TIME ON THE POST. LOOK AT IT. *hip thrusts everywhere*
Not that it actually did anything.
Anyhow I think it's convenient that verm and nocturne supposedly cleared things up, and then there was never another word about it to influence voters. Even our alliance leader voted for him. Can someone please explain things.
Verm and Nocturne for the Megakiller vigis?
Quote from: spitllama on January 11, 2014, 06:02:37 PMOH YES SUCK IT LOOK AT THAT TIME ON THE POST. LOOK AT IT. *hip thrusts everywhere*
Not that it actually did anything.
Anyhow I think it's convenient that verm and nocturne supposedly cleared things up, and then there was never another word about it to influence voters. Even our alliance leader voted for him. Can someone please explain things.
I dont know. I think Kman thought noct was a wolf I dont know... I cant seem to follow his logic (yet)
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 11, 2014, 06:04:32 PMVerm and Nocturne for the Megakiller vigis?
Where would you get that conclusion from?
Ninja'd.
I think BDS was joking. I think.
Also I thought the phase ended at 9pm EST, so my post is now severely less awesome. I withdraw my hip thrusts (unless you want them anyhow!!!)
Quote from: spitllama on January 11, 2014, 06:14:51 PMAlso I thought the phase ended at 9pm EST, so my post is now severely less awesome. I withdraw my hip thrusts (unless you want them anyhow!!!)
I want them.
I wouldn't say things are completely in the clear with Nocturne. I'll have to ask him a few more questions at some point in the future. If we're purging inactives, K-NiGhT is probably the least active player.
Verm I've been more inactive lynch me.
Also come to le chat.
But I have to go pick up pizza for dinner :(
k guys cool i've been trying to give you all a perfectly valid reason for my inactivity but whatever
Quote from: Kman96 on January 11, 2014, 06:09:02 PMWhere would you get that conclusion from?
Ninja'd.
Quote from: spitllama on January 11, 2014, 06:10:24 PMI think BDS was joking. I think.
...
I was saying that those are the people who should be vigi'd by the Megakillers (hence adding "vigis" after "Megakiller").
That's fine if you have reasoning for it, but at this point there are hardly any leads. It's not because we think you're lying. Just how the cookie has crumbled. If you have evidence against a particular player instead, please share. Right now though the chatroom is a big clustertruck and nobody knows what better to do.
Verm twg is the only sustenance you need.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 11, 2014, 06:48:43 PM...
I was saying that those are the people who should be vigi'd by the Megakillers (hence adding "vigis" after "Megakiller").
That's silliness. Why do dat.
K whatever i guess have fun losing
Quote from: spitllama on January 11, 2014, 06:49:55 PMThat's silliness. Why do dat.
Because:
Quote from: spitllama on January 11, 2014, 06:02:37 PMit's convenient that verm and nocturne supposedly cleared things up, and then there was never another word about it to influence voters.
You said it yourself. :P
I'm not voting for K-NiGhT because I feel the extreme frivolity that is bandwagoning.
other than his inactivity, K-Night has done nothing different than basically anyone else. He jumped on Dude for voting mashi because of Dude's knowledge of the Mashi seering. in retrospect, K-Night's supposed guiltiness is my fault :( sorry buddy.
Nocturne still seems suspicious after what verm said. 3 Minutes!
I think this is a bold and red vote for knight
Spoiler
1. Master Wolf Shaman - Wolf seered green. Also has seer powers.
2. Wolf Corpse Mangler - At any point in the game, has the ability to mangle a corpse preventing it from coming back to life or communicating with/through the medium. Two uses. Manglings are announced publicly.
3. Wolf Assassin - Makes a second wolfing each night phase separate from the Master Wolf and Corpse Mangler's wolfing. Can freely communicate with dead players.
4. Traitor-Shaman - Doesn't count for the wolves. Has seer powers. Every day phase, can create a message to be posted in the thread.
5. Megakiller - Vigilante. Power only works on nights 1 and 2. Must kill someone on those nights or else he dies. If that player would die through other means (e.g. the wolves are already wolfing that person, or if the other Megakiller submits their kill PM first) the Megakiller dies.
6. Megakiller - Vigilante. Power only works on nights 1 and 2. Must kill someone on those nights or else he dies. If that player would die through other means (e.g. the wolves are already wolfing that person, or if the other Megakiller submits their kill PM first) the Megakiller dies.
7. Medium - Can freely talk to dead players via PM. Can also sacrifice this ability to allow one dead player to freely communicate in the thread (without voting). This is canceled if the dead player's corpse gets mangled.
8. Seer - Just an ordinary seer. Can sacrifice seering for one night phase to find out how many wolves are left in the game.
9. Angel - Can revive one lynched player after death. If the other Angel dies first, becomes an ordinary human. Thinks he's a human, finds out who he is after death.
10. Angel - Can revive one lynched player after death. If the other Angel dies first, becomes an ordinary human. Thinks he's a human, finds out who he is after death.
11. Millwright - Thinks he's a human.
12. Herring - Thinks he's a human.
13. Human
14. Human
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Other Important Information
On Days 1 and 2, players vote on who should be lynched as well as which player (who died in the last night phase) should be brought back to life. Wolf powers (on each sub-team) are pooled. This includes those of the traitor. So if the traitor dies, the Wolf Assassin gets totem and seer powers. If one wolf fails to submit a PM for their powers, the other wolf on that team can do so. The Human and Megakiller PMs were done through BCC.
Order of Operations:
Night Phase: Seering->Wolf Kills->Megakiller Kills->Corpse Mangling->Revives/Medium Bringing Back Player
Day Phase: Revive Vote->Lynch->Mangling->Medium Bringing Back Player
STORY TBD
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1. The_Subjective_Thought MANGLED!!2. spitllama
3. BlackDragonSlayer
4. Mashi5. vermilionvermin
6. NocturneOfShadow
7. Dude
8. Kman96
9. k-NiGhT10. fank009
11. Greg
12. JDMEK5
13. Olimar12345 -> FireArrow
14. Toby
---
K-NiGhT has been lynched and Greg has been brought back to life! Olimar1234 has been replaced by FireArrow. The wolves also left the following message:
"cock-a-doodle-doo the wolf goes moo"
It is now Night 2. Night 2 ends tomorrow at 9:00 PM CST (24 hours from now).
Chatroom Link (http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)
Night 1 (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6053.msg236479#msg236479)
Day 1 (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6053.msg236675#msg236675)
Night 2 (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6053.msg236973#msg236973)
Moo
*gasp* THAT'S SKETCHY EVERYONE; LET'S GET HIM!!! Er, next day that is.
(#sarcasm #joking)
It's good to be alive!
Moo
Quote from: Kman96 on January 11, 2014, 06:57:50 PMI'm not voting for K-NiGhT because I feel the extreme frivolity that is bandwagoning.
says the leader.
Finally finished reading the thread, this game is insane. >_>
Where's my story? :/
Later today I'll add it, gosh!
So, uh...
I think that Nighthawk and Nocturne should be the ones killed by the Megakillers (unless they are the Megakillers :-X), or if not those two, Dude and Toby. :P :P
Reasons?
Quote from: Toby on January 12, 2014, 04:20:42 PMReasons?
Quote from: spitllama on January 11, 2014, 06:02:37 PMAnyhow I think it's convenient that verm and nocturne supposedly cleared things up, and then there was never another word about it to influence voters. Even our alliance leader voted for him. Can someone please explain things.
Essentially, the fact that both of them are suspicious to some degree, so if we kill both of them, we're much more likely to get a wolf.
I personally think killing JDmeks and leaving it at that is best for us. We don't want to be too murderous in case we kill any specials or whatnot. I'd also suggest a steering on dude or fank since they seem to be close to Kman (our seer) and it's never good thinking you can trust someone when you really can't!!
My reason for JDmeks is that he's been probably more inactive (more than olimar) than anyone else, but has replied to Pms people have sent him and if he is doing a lot of Pming to his wolf partner, Bird would see no reason to replace him, thus olimar was replaced instead.
@bds Okay, sounds fair. What about me and dude?
And if you're able to come online, you're able to come to the chat! Get in here guys, I won't be in here for long!
Quote from: Toby on January 12, 2014, 04:31:25 PM@bds Okay, sounds fair. What about me and dude?
More of a joke (because of the earlier misinterpretation), but you/Dude are also a little suspicious, but not as much as Verm/Nocturne.
Suspicion List! I hate making these, so apologies if some of it seems incoherent.
1. The_Subjective_Thought-- Human. Dead. Medium
2. spitllama-- Human. Bestest in the game
3. BlackDragonSlayer-- Likely human. I agree with his opinion of the seer claim. He also guessed correctly (I think) in believing that Nocturne's PM was a reaction test. Has seemed very set on killing Verm for this entire game, though...
4. Mashi-- Unknown. Dead. Really didn't say much up to his death. Claimed wolf assassin and quickly reversed things, brushing it off like a fake claim. I think it was a false claim. But I also do not see any reason to revive him atm.
5. vermilionvermin-- Likely human. Unlike BDS, I am actually not suspicious of verm for that first post regarding the role PM question. Seemed legit. Encouraged the medium claim, which I think was a good idea (too bad it wasn't used -_-). In the recent spoof with Nocturne, he was attempting to piece together Nocturne's wolfiness with insufficient evidence. Would like to hear more about their talk.
6. NocturneOfShadow-- Unknown. Sent himself on a goose chase because he suspected Verm. I am hesitant to call either of them a wolf at this point and would like to be present when Verm asks Nocturne his extra questions. Also a new player that I can't read :(. Kman apparently trusts him though (Kman if you could vouch and explain that'd be great).
7. Dude-- Likely wolf. He first suggested that the medium claim, which is well and good. However, I'm completely clueless as to why he was willing to tell Nocturne that Verm also sent the PM to him. He never decided to elaborate on this either. It also seems like he's very eager to kill players. He never really explained why he thought Mashi's claim was real, and quickly voted for Verm when he voted to revive Mashi (again, with little explanation). Vagueness is vague (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6053.msg236751#msg236751).
8. Kman96-- Human. Seer.
9. k-NiGhT-- Unknown. Dead. Inactive and killed to avoid taking out a more active player.
10. fank009-- Likely Human. Idk where he came from or where he joined but I like this guy. Had a logical explanation for why to revive greg, even before Mashi was revealed to be red. Supported the seer claim, which is meh... I do agree, however, with his opinion that Nocturne and Verm likely had a miscommunication and suspected each other.
11. Greg-- Likely human. Supported the medium claim. Promptly died. Very likely woofed (see my past post here (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6053.msg236935#msg236935))
12. JDMEK5-- Unknown. New player that I can't read. Also hasn't posted much cause he learnin'. Never explained why he decided to break the Kitb last phase and vote Dude. If you could please explain this, that'd be great JDMEK. Option for megakiller target or lynching
13. Olimar12345 -> FireArrow-- Unknown. Not much to go off of. Option for megakiller target or lynching
14. Toby-- Unknown. Can't follow his logic most of the time... Voted for Knight without really... knowing why he was doing it. Option for megakiller target or lynching
Quote from: spitllama on January 12, 2014, 05:18:11 PM6. NocturneOfShadow-- Unknown. Sent himself on a goose chase because he suspected Verm. I am hesitant to call either of them a wolf at this point and would like to be present when Verm asks Nocturne his extra questions. Also a new player that I can't read :(. Kman apparently trusts him though (Kman if you could vouch and explain that'd be great).
I DID trust Nocturne a few days ago, but thanks to Verm's revealing post the next day, my eyes were opened to a possible suspicion I had not gathered, so I'm currently on the fence about Nocturne.
I will say that the alliance organizing is going quite well. I'm not sure what else I SHOULD say without giving to much away to the wolfies, but there will definitely be a small, secret group of humans who other downtrodden humans can look to for help. Good luck finding them, I suppose. Maybe they'll find you! :D
As for tonight's seering, do I have any suggestions?
Quote from: spitllama on January 12, 2014, 05:18:11 PM10. fank009-- Likely Human. Idk where he came from or where he joined but I like this guy.
I was surfing for sheet music, came upon this site, saw the TWG board (shuddered for a moment) played a game then never turned back. I've been playing here since TWG 54 (or was it 53? im not quite sure.) If you want to do some readings be my guest.
I mean, I'm vouching for a Dude lynching, so I'd be happy with a seering on him. Verm and Nocturne are obviously second. Tier 3 would be players 12-14.
Spoiler
1. Master Wolf Shaman - Wolf seered green. Also has seer powers.
2. Wolf Corpse Mangler - At any point in the game, has the ability to mangle a corpse preventing it from coming back to life or communicating with/through the medium. Two uses. Manglings are announced publicly.
3. Wolf Assassin - Makes a second wolfing each night phase separate from the Master Wolf and Corpse Mangler's wolfing. Can freely communicate with dead players.
4. Traitor-Shaman - Doesn't count for the wolves. Has seer powers. Every day phase, can create a message to be posted in the thread.
5. Megakiller - Vigilante. Power only works on nights 1 and 2. Must kill someone on those nights or else he dies. If that player would die through other means (e.g. the wolves are already wolfing that person, or if the other Megakiller submits their kill PM first) the Megakiller dies.
6. Megakiller - Vigilante. Power only works on nights 1 and 2. Must kill someone on those nights or else he dies. If that player would die through other means (e.g. the wolves are already wolfing that person, or if the other Megakiller submits their kill PM first) the Megakiller dies.
7. Medium - Can freely talk to dead players via PM. Can also sacrifice this ability to allow one dead player to freely communicate in the thread (without voting). This is canceled if the dead player's corpse gets mangled.
8. Seer - Just an ordinary seer. Can sacrifice seering for one night phase to find out how many wolves are left in the game.
9. Angel - Can revive one lynched player after death. If the other Angel dies first, becomes an ordinary human. Thinks he's a human, finds out who he is after death.
10. Angel - Can revive one lynched player after death. If the other Angel dies first, becomes an ordinary human. Thinks he's a human, finds out who he is after death.
11. Millwright - Thinks he's a human.
12. Herring - Thinks he's a human.
13. Human
14. Human
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Other Important Information
On Days 1 and 2, players vote on who should be lynched as well as which player (who died in the last night phase) should be brought back to life. Wolf powers (on each sub-team) are pooled. This includes those of the traitor. So if the traitor dies, the Wolf Assassin gets totem and seer powers. If one wolf fails to submit a PM for their powers, the other wolf on that team can do so. The Human and Megakiller PMs were done through BCC.
Order of Operations:
Night Phase: Seering->Wolf Kills->Megakiller Kills->Corpse Mangling->Revives/Medium Bringing Back Player
Day Phase: Revive Vote->Lynch->Mangling->Medium Bringing Back Player
STORY TBD
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1. The_Subjective_Thought MANGLED!!2. spitllama
3. BlackDragonSlayer
4. Mashi5. vermilionvermin
6. NocturneOfShadow7. Dude MANGLED!!8. Kman96
9. k-NiGhT10. fank009
11. Greg
12. JDMEK5
13. Olimar12345 -> FireArrow
14. Toby---
GAME OVER. HUMANS WIN.
Was dude a wolf then?
Doodle was Seer and we forgot to lock this, whoops!!!