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#16
I didn't know the game had started. Looks like I made it before phase end, at least. Lemme catch up on the rules real quick.
#17
I've updated the files, but I did have a lot of disagreements that I (stupidly) posted in the Discord. I'm just copying them to here.

Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter• prior to m20 RH there's a very cool strings 16th run up at the end of m19. You could add this, or just add like an Fn grace note to m20 RH 1.0.
Would something like this be acceptable? (see screenshot)
Obviously with cleaning up the layer situation (I might just change the G's on b1 to half notes and b3 in layer 2 to quarter notes so that everything can be on one layer)

• m21 LH 3.0 hearing this Fn down an octave like m18
Listening to the song pitched up an octave (since that's really the only way to make out the bass in this one), it sounds distinctly an octave higher than the other Fs.

• m23 LH I hear for the .5 value of every note, a 16th length restrike of the first pitch (ex. on beat 1.5 hearing Gn, 2.5 hearing G#)
I'm not hearing that at all. The only thing I hear that could sound like that is the arpeggio synth in the background, but not the bass itself.

• m28 LH hearing this a bit differently (see screenshot)
I disagree, it clearly sounds like the D# is the held note on beat 2, not the Bb on beat 1.75. I will agree about the C being held on beat 2.75, though, and will fix that.

m34 RH 1st layer 3.75 is slightly forward of the Db above it. Can reset position.
That's because it's beat 3.5, not beat 3.75.
The harmony instrument strikes just before the strings melody

m36 LH I think this starts on a Db and goes down to a Dn
I don't believe it really has much in the way of pitch, I've just done Eb since it closes off the melody that would have hit an Eb chord

 m42 4.75 this staccato is still too close
Cause there's no notes on 4.75 in this measure
Actually, there's no notes on 4.75 in any nearby measures except for m44, which doesn't have a staccato there
Never mind, that's not the case
Not sure what's happening with the m42 comment, then

I normally would've just waited to say all this stuff in the thread after I've updated the files, but since I'm going to be waiting for a couple other things for both this and Screwbot Factory, I figured I'd bring them up here so that they can be cleared up in the meantime
I'm going to assume you meant m43 beat 4.5


Otherwise, anything not mentioned, I did. I also just realized that I think you say beat x.75 when you mean beat x.5 a lot. Cause that would explain a lot of the points that don't make sense because there aren't notes on beat x.75 in those places.
#18
Alright, I've decided to keep thing consistent and accurate, since it sounds perfectly fine to me, I'm keeping them as C's. If that becomes a sticking point, I'm willing to discuss it more, but for now I feel it's the best course of action. I believe the only other note of Lat's that I disagreed with was
Quote from: Latios212 on April 07, 2024, 03:55:12 PM- In measure 10 beat 3.5 LH, I'm not sure I hear the F-F# there? It also sounds a bit muddy above the D bass that low. Conversely, I do hear a C# grace note you could write in the right hand.
because that note is from the glurpy synth that plays in those sections, and I still don't think it really sounds that muddy.

Otherwise, I believe everything should be updated fine. Still navigating my recent PC disaster.
#19
Quote from: Kricketune54 on April 08, 2024, 07:20:09 PMI hear Cn in the instances I pointed out for Screwbot 2 but they sound like Bn's here. In my opinion they should be Cn's in Screwbot 2 because they are literally audible as such and here I understand the reasoning for making them Bn's.
I still hear them as C's here, but the reasoning behind making them Bn's in this one also applies to Screwbot Factory 2, since Lat's point was about the major 7th sounding muddy at that octave. Personally, I think the major 7th sounds fine. Either way, since Lat's critique applies to both sheets, I would still like to keep them consistent with each other since I hear them as the same notes in both songs using AudioStretch.
#20
Quote from: Latios212 on April 08, 2024, 03:09:38 PMOh no worries! Sorry about the disconnect, I agree with you they should be consistent. Lemme poke Kricketune and see
Yeah, something similar happened with Micro-Row and Micro-Row 2 (except I didn't have them submitted at the same time), and it's bother me ever since that there's a disconnect.

Quote from: Latios212 on April 08, 2024, 03:09:38 PMVGMDB has the same info.
Yeah, that's the site I was talking about. It used to specify, but they seem to have changed it.
#21
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on April 08, 2024, 02:47:00 PMI just want to comment on this quickly before taking a look at the rest of the feedback. I want to keep things like this consistent between this and Screwbot Factory 2. I originally had it as you said, but Kricketune told me to change it to this in the other track (the major seventh is also there due to it). I don't particularly care which one to go with, but if I change it here, I'm going to change it there, meaning there's going to need to be a consensus between the updaters on this note.
Sorry if this came across as rude. That wasn't my intention at all. I just want to be consistent.
#22
Quote from: Latios212 on April 07, 2024, 03:55:12 PMAlso, remind me, do we have a composer listing for RHF? I forget...
There was a site that specified which composers did which songs, but I've been having trouble finding it again since someone had sent it to me. I know that it had said Masami Yone was the composer for the Screwbot Factories.

UPDATE: I found who sent it to me, but the wbesite actually changed it's information and no longer specifies the composers for each song, just listing Nintendo for the ones not done by Tsunku (similar to the David Mismol channel except that David also includes the list of "Nintendo" composers in parentheses), so I'll update that as well.
#23
Quote from: Latios212 on April 07, 2024, 03:55:12 PM- I think the C bass notes on beats 2.5-2.75 in m. 4/8 would be better as Bn to double the right hand - the major seventh sounds muddy down there and if I understand the intention correctly the left hand is there to reinforce the rhythm here.
I just want to comment on this quickly before taking a look at the rest of the feedback. I want to keep things like this consistent between this and Screwbot Factory 2. I originally had it as you said, but Kricketune told me to change it to this in the other track (the major seventh is also there due to it). I don't particularly care which one to go with, but if I change it here, I'm going to change it there, meaning there's going to need to be a consensus between the updaters on this note.
#24
Just making a quick post to say that I have made some edits to this submission based on feedback I had gotten for Screwbot Factory 2 that also applied to this one.

I would also like to take this opportunity to specify that m20 beats 4 and 4.5 were an intentional choice/addition to this arrangement to distinguish the measure from m24 so as not to lose the impact of the sudden silence present in the original song.
#25
Quote from: Kricketune54 on March 31, 2024, 12:33:00 PMAlso, I think progression wise, having these notes for m45 LH be Cn would make a little more sense despite the song finishing on Cn's anyway. Just thinking how notes go Gn-G#-An-Bn in previous measure. Let me know your thoughts!
I've already tried a bunch of different pitches for that section, and (in my opinion) G was the only one that actually sounded good and cohesive.

Otherwise, files are updated!
#26
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#27
Quote from: Latios212 on March 20, 2024, 04:55:51 PMAlso this might be a MuseScore setting or messed up on import, but the 8th/16th notes should be beamed together within each beat. There's a lot of disconnected notes that make it a bit difficult to rea the rhythms as is.
Also, yes, that's exactly what it is. And I always forget to fix it...
#28
Quote from: Latios212 on March 20, 2024, 04:55:51 PMI's strongly recommend using clef changes instead of using an upper layer for the bottom staff for where the melody goes low. It'd help get rid of a lot of clutter of extra rests and stuff where the top staff is just sitting empty.

Also this might be a MuseScore setting or messed up on import, but the 8th/16th notes should be beamed together within each beat. There's a lot of disconnected notes that make it a bit difficult to rea the rhythms as is.
Fixed! I will also be giving my other submission (considering it is Screwbot Factory 2) the same treatment.