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Author Topic: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D  (Read 423 times)

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I was meaning to submit this sheet sooner or later. Might as well be for a spooky update. Here's the source:
This is the PC version of the song. It's in the N64 version, but it's arranged differently there.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2020, 01:00:39 AM by NineLives »
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Re: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2020, 04:27:25 PM »

Here's some feedback!

Dynamics/articulation - think about these a bit. For example the RH is super quiet at the beginning, m. 8 is suddenly loud, etc.

- I think you could also write in the ascending run at the beginning as a whole tone scale.
- The m. 1-3 RH could be another octave or two up. m. 7 as well
- In m. 4 you can just denote straight eighths instead of a 4-tuplet. Maybe something like this (m. 17)
- In m. 6, extend the tie to the half note C
- The Db's in m. 11/13 and similar should be C#s. The Gb should also be F# in m. 13 and similar.
- m. 15 bas note on beat 3 sounds like D instead of C
- m. 16 beat 1 shouldn't be a half note (staccato quarter instead?)
- m. 17 sounds like an E major chord, not A minor
- Same for m. 24-25 for the above two points
- Don't think there's a grace note in m. 21?
- m. 24 is completely missing the ascending crescendoing part. It's a bit weird but something you can do at least is put a loud Bb on beat 1
- m. 24 - first notes in triplet should be F-E
- RH in m. 28-29 layer 1 - sounds like it should be an A minor chord, then F-F#-F as the half notes
- A flats in m. 31 should be G# (E major chord)
- I don't think I hear the melody A on beat 3.5 in m. 33, beat 2.5 in m. 34, or beat 3.5 in m. 35
- The bass is suddenly pretty high in m. 32-37 compared to the rest of the song, maybe consider shifting it down an octave or something?
- I think the chord in m. 37 may sound better with an A in it
- In m. 38, I would advise breaking the beams between beats 1-2 and 3-4 in the RH
- Chord in m. 39 should be E major
- Use a dotted half in m. 40 and 22
- I think the Gb in m. 40 would be better written as F# to preserve the intervals
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Re: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2020, 11:30:44 PM »

Just to show some progress, I've updated the file up to where I am right now.
- I think you could also write in the ascending run at the beginning as a whole tone scale.
- Don't think there's a grace note in m. 21?
- I don't think I hear the melody A on beat 3.5 in m. 33, beat 2.5 in m. 34, or beat 3.5 in m. 35
I'm still trying to figure out how to notate the first concern. It's a bit hard to hear, so it may take a while to get right.
For measure 21, it's more of a slight bend than a physical grace note, but since you can't particularly bend a note on piano, at least not on a non-electrical one, I used a grace note instead.
You were right about measure 34, but I do hear the A on the other two measures. They're lighter than the other notes and pretty short, but since those notes are swung, I don't see a staccato being necessary for either.
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Re: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2020, 02:00:14 AM »

I'm still trying to figure out how to notate the first concern. It's a bit hard to hear, so it may take a while to get right.
Something like this doesn't have to be super precise. I suggested just notating a run using notes from the whole tone scale. Pretty similar to what the chord is, but starting lower

For measure 21, it's more of a slight bend than a physical grace note, but since you can't particularly bend a note on piano, at least not on a non-electrical one, I used a grace note instead.
I getcha, but my point was that I don't hear the pitch bend at all there.

You were right about measure 34, but I do hear the A on the other two measures. They're lighter than the other notes and pretty short, but since those notes are swung, I don't see a staccato being necessary for either.
That's fine, I was a bit iffy on whether they're there or seemingly implied, and they certainly make sense.

Let me know when you're done revising!
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Re: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2020, 10:48:49 PM »

I getcha, but my point was that I don't hear the pitch bend at all there.
I really thought there was. I guess the synth confused me a bit.
It should be good now.
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Re: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2020, 03:30:04 PM »

Cool. Last few things from me:
- Manually move the chord and roll marking more to the right in m. 2 to make more space around the roll marking/rest
- Measure 6 would probably be better on the next system (and the "straight" text should be an expression text so it's attached to the staff and not the page)
- End the 8va marking at the note in m. 5 instead of at the end of the bar

- m. 24 is completely missing the ascending crescendoing part. It's a bit weird but something you can do at least is put a loud Bb on beat 1
(now measure 26) Have you thought about this?

- A flats in m. 31 should be G# (E major chord)
(now m. 33) RH as well.

- The bass is suddenly pretty high in m. 32-37 compared to the rest of the song, maybe consider shifting it down an octave or something?
- I think the chord in m. 37 may sound better with an A in it
(now m. 39) I think I meant to suggest replacing the B with the A, especially if we're moving it down.
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Re: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2020, 12:28:04 AM »

(now measure 26) Have you thought about this?
I did, and I'd rather leave the part out. I'm willing to have a crescendo for the triplets like normal, but having a Bb on the first beat as suggested doesn't sound right to me, sort of out of place with the rest of the arrangement. I hope that's all right.
In addition, I thought of dragging the 8va line in measure 9 over the whole notes of 10 and 11, since the B comes from the glockenspiel part as well and I feel it sounds nicer. Thoughts?
Other changes should be done if I haven't missed any.
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Re: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2020, 05:25:26 AM »

All looks good. Real quick though, see if we can clean up the tempo marking at the beginning a bit. A few options:
- Swing! q=125
- q=125 (Swing e's)
- Swing! q=125 (e's=triplet)

Once you've got that, make sure the sizing and spacing of the notes and text are consistent as well. Then I think that's it from me ^^
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Re: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2020, 07:30:43 PM »

- q=125 (Swing e's)
All right. This is what I used.
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Re: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2020, 07:44:59 PM »

Cool! Approving :)
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Re: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2020, 01:58:38 AM »

m34 - I don't hear a piano chord on b3 here. It's in 36 tho.
Speaking of those piano chords in m34-37, they're actually an A and E, not an E and a B. I would recommend moving the A up and octave to prevent it from replaying the A played by the bass right before then.

m40 b4 - I hear a F here instead of the rest.

Staccatos would be nice in m17, m26, and m42
Slurs would be nice in m20-24

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Re: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2020, 05:58:32 PM »

m34 - I don't hear a piano chord on b3 here. It's in 36 tho.
That's odd, 'cause I definitely hear the chord. Maybe you couldn't hear it over the mute trumpet?
Other than that, I got the rest of the changes done.
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Re: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2020, 06:01:23 PM »

I am 110% positive it's not here. Having it on the offbeat is the default for this kind of song, and the fact that it's never on the downbeat makes m36 stand out more when it hits 3 times. Maybe if another updater could listen?

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Re: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2020, 03:51:09 PM »

I am 110% positive it's not here. Having it on the offbeat is the default for this kind of song, and the fact that it's never on the downbeat makes m36 stand out more when it hits 3 times. Maybe if another updater could listen?

Maelstrom asked me to check and I do hear the chord on beat 3 of bar 36.

While I'm here though and looking at the sheet, there's one particular thing I'd like to comment on.  I'm not sure the way you combine the chord and the bass in the left hand of bars 12-27 is really the best way to go about it.  The left hand forms this sort of homogeneous texture which sits low on the piano and doesn't really sound much the like the original.  I think it'd be much better if you brought the chords on beats 2-3 up an octave (perhaps with some inversions necessary) and kept the bass on beats 1 and 4 only.  That sort of pattern would be much more natural on the piano and would sound a lot better and accurate to the original.

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Re: Nine Lives' Halloween Sheet | "Fear the Forest" from Earthworm Jim 3D
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2020, 07:16:25 PM »

Maelstrom asked me to check and I do hear the chord on beat 3 of bar 36.
What we were discussing was whether measure 34 had a chord on beat 3. I hear the chord, but Maelstrom does not. That's what the double check was for. We agree on 36.
While I'm here though and looking at the sheet, there's one particular thing I'd like to comment on.  I'm not sure the way you combine the chord and the bass in the left hand of bars 12-27 is really the best way to go about it.  The left hand forms this sort of homogeneous texture which sits low on the piano and doesn't really sound much the like the original.  I think it'd be much better if you brought the chords on beats 2-3 up an octave (perhaps with some inversions necessary) and kept the bass on beats 1 and 4 only.  That sort of pattern would be much more natural on the piano and would sound a lot better and accurate to the original.
I took this into account, and I've switched up the chords a bit. Tell me what you think.
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