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#1
Quote from: LeviR.star on June 05, 2025, 09:54:16 AMHi, just stopping by to say that this is incorrect. The site has erroneously labeled Thomas Wilson's sheets under the arcade original when they are, in fact, based on the NES version's soundtrack (don't know why I never noticed it before, but just look at their copyright info: 1988 instead of 1987). And they're not just in different keys, either, the Jungle track in particular has some bits that didn't make it into the later arrangements. I don't know if this sheet needs to be re-submitted as a replacement, but in the very least, the console tag on the site needs to be updated.

Thank you for bringing this to light. I did a quick listen through, and it's quite obvious the sheets on site are from the game's NES version. All of the sheets for Contra have now been correctly as from the NES version.

I am also marking this submission as a replacement, since the NES version is in fact on site. Since Thomas Wilson's sheet was already identified in the replacement audit, no objections about recency of the original sheet.

Question for QueueDr1zzl3: the NES soundtrack is credited to Hidenori Maezawa and Kiyohiro Sada. Is there a reason you have Kazuki Muraoka listed as the composer? He is listed as the composer of the arcade version, but the other two did the NES soundtrack.

Also, I think the year at the bottom of the sheet should be 1988, since that was the year the NES version released.

Sourcing composer and year info from Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contra_(video_game)
#2
Quote from: Rubikium on June 05, 2025, 06:12:06 AMI'd center the Segno above the double bar, but I'm unable to move it using Finale Notepad. Please help me on this later

Sure thing, can update this. I have no more comments, Toad Town Port approved.

EDIT: I have updated the Segno on the file in the project folder.
#3
Also for future reference QueueDr1zzl3, please post a YouTube source audio link
#4
Quote from: Fantastic Ike on June 05, 2025, 06:10:28 AMFor what it's worth, we do actually have a couple Contra sheets onsite: https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/download/pdf/2089

It's actually a pretty decent arrangement for such an older sheet, but could probably use some tuning up. The way I see it, you basically have two options: either submit this as a replacement (one of the admins can probably help you on the backend without you having to resubmit) or delete this submission and just choose another sheet. Either way I'd let someone else know before trying to do something yourself. Just figured I'd let you have a chance to decide before moving forward :)

Actually, the one on site is for the Arcade game. QueueDr1zzl3 is submitting the NES version
#5
Hey QueueDr1zzl3,

First off welcome to NinSheetMusic and thanks for submitting your sheets.

We're hesitant to go forward with this one, we have typically, barring a marked improvement over the original, restricted replacement sheets for sheets that are recent replacements. Nine Live's sheet is only a couple years old.

Also wanted to note, while I am not accusing you of copying from Nine Live's sheet, it is important to minimize referencing other's works. We are pretty strict about not using other's arrangements as basis for ones that end up on site.

Your Contra sheet should be good to go, for future reference we do have a spreadsheet of sheets that are in need of replacement.  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LQ7m8yXQctZAiTXBnzCoFt6UZXnDi_ftNrul5SmaSy8/edit?usp=sharing
#6
Quote from: Fantastic Ike on June 04, 2025, 10:05:03 AMGlad to see this getting a submission! I'd actually arranged the song myself before, but apparently I was missing an entire section? Good to see though.
Did you post it? I don't see it in your thread
#7

Some might know this as the Fire Emblem Premium Arrange album's first track, or the Shadow Dragon Medley from Brawl. That's how I know it at least

Few things I wanted to note

  • m9-12 I simplified the LH, the original part has 16th notes instead of 8th notes/tied 16ths on 1.0, 1.75, 3.0, and 3.75.
  • m13-20 seemed impossible for melody and harmony to be played by a single hand, so I went with the structure I did of playing the held pitch at 1.0 as an 8th note, and then moving quickly to play the harmony.
  • At m16 I am open to removing the parentheses if they are confusing on 3.0 and 3.25, as there is no way to play both the upper staff and lower with your LH. The idea was to use the RH for those 2 notes and to have the LH quickly jump down to play the An on 3.0
#8
Quote from: Rubikium on June 03, 2025, 03:20:53 AMI kept it as is since I'm not hearing that. Also the F#-A# tenth interval on b1 would be hard to play if A# Bn C# is used
After relistening here I agree with you.

Quote from: Rubikium on June 03, 2025, 03:20:53 AMI change these two to match m93-94
Works for me

Quote from: Rubikium on June 03, 2025, 03:20:53 AMI'd keep it as An since other pieces with the same motif has the same note there
Alright. I am not too familiar with the game's music but I can hear a Dn within this measure so it's fine by me.

Quote from: Rubikium on June 03, 2025, 03:20:53 AMAfter hearing this section again, I decide to only add C#4 and not C#5 for b2-3 to follow the descending melody in other pieces
Okay, same sentiment from me as above. I am still hearing the C#5 but I'll check it off/if another updater wants to raise it they can.


Two last things and then I think that's all I got.

  • At m11 this is more what I was intending for the segno to be positioned like (before and after pictured just move the segno left a bit)
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  • Somewhere along the line this was lost, m26 RH 3.0 is supposed to be a Dn
#9
Did a review of Splash Beach, I have no comments! Solid, simple sheet, accepted for the update
#10
Sorry for the wait on this one, I took a look through and this looks pretty solid. Just have some additional notes and a spacing comment as my current feedback

  • m8 RH 4.5 and all beats of m9 I hear an Ab underneath the Fn's.
  • m14 LH 2.5-3.0 sounds like Bn which is restruck on 3.5
  • for m16 the run looks fine to me.
  • m20 LH hearing some harmonies you could add above the current notes, would lead into the RH part of m1. Hearing Fn at 1.0 , beats 2, 3 and 4 hearing Ab's
  • I think you could space the bottom two measure systems out a bit more to the bottom, or widen the 4th system a little.
#11
Took a somewhat quick look through, did not focus on melody and only a little on bassline

    Feedback
    • Discussed with another updater briefly, and I think this one would work a bit better in 12/8 instead of 6/4. Would update time signature as well.
    • m2 LH hearing the 4th dotted quarter note as an 8th note followed by a quarter note length An (just the lower octave)
    • m37 LH current 6.0 is an An

      Noting these updates for future conversion edits
      • LH m12 need to flip stuff, fix rests in RH
      • page numbers and titles missing after page 1
      • some overlapping stuff in LH m33, 37-38
      • word "Piano" is small, tempo marking looks a little big
      #12
      Hi AspKing, welcome to NinSheetMusic. I don't have a whole lot to say today as I don't have a piano in front of me, but wanted to drop some comments. Reason I state that is this looks like a very complicated sheet and I feel the need to test the feasibility of some of the chords. However, I am a Ghost Updater, so my replies to you are likely going to be a bit spaced out on the calendar. This is one of my favorite songs from Sword and Shield though, so I wanted to get things going for you at least.


      Usually with submissions we look to have some sort of linked audio for reference - dropping YouTube link.

      The singular composition credit goes to Go Ichinose, sourced from here.

        Feedback
        • This is a very dense sheet on the current number of pages and not easy to look at - I think you could play around with the measure systems a bit so page 2 is maybe 5 systems instead of 6, and then the same for page 3. Making this a four page sheet would make this a lot easier to read (5-5-5-2). Page 1 the space could also be adjusted, I'd move the measure systems up a bit higher, and then widen the space between them.
        • There's some missing notebeaming as well, to me it looks like you might not be aware that an entire beat should always be beamed together: ex. an 8th note on the first part of the beat, followed by a 16th rest, followed by a 16th note should have a beam that goes over the 16th rest to connect the two notes.
        • m22 LH beat 1.0 and 1.75,  m30-32 beat 1.0 and 1.75 and for beat 2 this comment applies to, but it would be helpful if you could go through your sheet just to check again
        • This is a good guide on beaming https://www.musicnotes.com/blog/note-beaming-and-grouping-in-music-theory/?msockid=07d994907287647c12f8817a73636584

        Each submission requires an approval from one updater, before it can be accepted by a second for inclusion in an update. Hope this all helps
        #13
        Sorry for a bit of a wait on this sheet, but seeing you are still logging onto the forums I am using my ghostly powers to metastasize in your submission thread...

        Although the site is moving away from Finale, we still are trying to maintain visual consistency with sheets that were made in the program and new sheets that are done in MuseScore. Hope these guides will be of assistance.

        MuseScore to Finale Conversions
        https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=12538.0

        Formatting Guidelines
        https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=12766.0

        Reason I'm linking is that the formatting is a bit off - measure systems are a bit wide, some titles/credits need to be bolded as well - feel free to look at recent sheets that have gone on site for comparison to how your submission should appear. Game should also be written as Pokémon Snap. Though these details are a bit less important as far as this sheet's current arranged state.

          Feedback
          • From 0:38 to about 0:56 (when this song loops) is not in the sheet- so the arrangement feels a incomplete at the moment.
          • Did you ever try arranging this such that the top staff (RH part) was up an octave from the original with an ottava, and keeping the current bottom staff/LH part in the song's original octave? I think that would make the arrangement sound a bit closer to the original piece.
          • Note on the tempo: when a song is in 12/8, the tempo is typically written to the dotted quarter note value as opposed to quarter note value. I counted ♩. = 102
          #14
          Quote from: NineLives on May 07, 2025, 12:45:13 PMIt is the introduction for the Marrakech stage itself, but I feel like it'd be more suited for a short themes collection because this isn't the only music to play in the level. If I had it here, I'd feel obligated to put the other music in too, and that's a bit much.
          Okay - I was asking about this with the assumption there was a low likelihood of additional sheets of this game being submitted but if you think a short themes/stage intro collection works better than that's fine.


          Quote from: NineLives on May 07, 2025, 12:45:13 PMThe non-square wave is drowned out during this section, but it plays the same line it does in the next eight measures and so forth in the bass clef, staccatos and all. I wanted to keep the rhythm of the bass consistent for the entire piece and I wondered if the square wave in the song was supposed to be staccato too and just didn't have the capability to be or it wasn't programmed correctly. This is also why the bass in measures 13-16 and similar are played shorter than the squares in the source.
          Yeah - as a matter of consistency and with your explanation, I don't mind you leaving this as is then.


          Quote from: NineLives on May 07, 2025, 12:45:13 PMIt's not so much reverb as it is the Es being played for longer than the Gs and Ds/Dbs. I wanted to keep the rhythm more in line with the other two notes because I thought holding the E sounded a bit strange and maybe another case of the square not being able to staccato.
          Also, while we're on those measures, the longer A in the left hand on count 4 of measures 13, 15, 21 & 23 was a personal touch that I thought would sound better than resting on the "and" of 1 like it does in the source. I'd like to believe that was the intention if the limitations weren't there.

          Gotcha - and thanks for explanation of personal touch. I assumed that was longer since sometimes that just makes for easier reading on piano/what you said.

          I'm approving "Marrakech Hotel and Casino". Just one minor other thought I wanted to share from recent feedback on another sheet about the tempo marking but not hinging approval on your choice of implementing it or not. See below

          Quote from: Kricketune54 on March 19, 2025, 09:01:58 AMFor the Swing text you don't have to do this (and I can't remember if we have "official guidance" to the contrary), but I like to recommend keeping it clean like the following screenshot. Can add "Swing!" to your tempo marking, just make sure Times New Roman, 14 pt font.
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          #15
          Will this sheet mean there will have to be a James Bond section? Lol


          Was gonna ding the devs on the spelling of Marrakesh (a city in Morocco) but Wikipedia seems to indicate the spelling is sometimes Marrakech.

          Do you happen to know if the music in the beginning of the linked recording is the intro music for every stage? Or is it stage specific? Just wondering if that small piece could/should be added to this arrangement

          For m1-4 LH, I think you could remove the staccatos. While there is a bit of reverb, it does sound like the notes are longer and not staccatoed.

          For a little while I went back and forth thinking there were 8th notes after the clusters in m14 and 16, but I think it's just reverb. Assuming you also went back and forth on this as well (I think how you have it is correct)
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