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Title: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on August 29, 2011, 09:47:56 PM
Topic hijacked - it's relevant enough already and multi-page threads attract more attention. And I don't want to flood the entire sub-forum.

Basically, discuss arrangement contests here.






Some of the more nit-picky of you would probably insist that this be called remixing contests, but anyway:

This idea has been stuck in my head for some time, yet it's taken a while to come up with some details and build up the courage to publicly propose it:

Now that we've got a more open attitude towards orchestral submissions here, would it be an idea that we ran some informal arrangement competitions to make people more familiar with other instruments than piano? Or simply give people an opportunity to play around with their favourite musical styles? Or just tweak the beloved songs a little?

I'm thinking something along the lines of a set of competitions, running for a period of time (a month or two. We're not known to be in a hurry on this site). Unlike The Musical Showdown, the rounds would be fully independent of each other, and a single task would be given for each competition. After a winner is declared, it's back to blank sheets, and a new round could be started. The way I've thought about it, is that we could have one "theme" for each contest, with very loose specifications.
Examples:
 - "Calmify" a theme (essentially what's been done with Pokémon's "SS Anne" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGJglX2t5YM) to "Oceanic Museum" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXDpynALaFM), or SM64's "Inside the Castle" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpOP0L3A7_Q) to SMG2's "Special One" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYHEj82LuSU)
 - Arrange a VG theme for (insert various (and sometimes obscure) instruments, i.e. fiddle, organ or bagpipe).
 - Make a VG theme ROCK! (Two words: Gourmet Race)
 - We Want a Waltz: "Ballroomify" a theme.
 - Given a theme, who can make the best arrangement?
 - Lyrics? (hey, not all of us are good with Finale, are we?).

There would obviously have to be a set of judges, basing themselves on a set of criteria, and perhaps an additional popular vote. And it would require some organization, of course. Perhaps even prizes as well? Even though I'm on a student budget, I could probably cough up some kr for prizes for a couple of rounds. It wouldn't be any expensive stuff, but it would anyway be a token of your effort and perseverance... or if you were the only attendant of the competition, your ability to overcome procrastination. And I feel that concept and execution should have as much to say as technical skill. "Something for everyone" is a great goal to strive for.


But for the time being, I'm just wondering what people think about the idea. Is it feasible? Could we motivate enough people? Do we need to focus our effort elsewhere first? What are really those weird creatures in the background of Shiverburn Galaxy (http://www.mariowiki.com/File:SMG2_SB_Beyonghellvalleysky.png)? What limitations do we have to work with here (I'm thinking what the various versions of Finale are capable of, for example instrument selections and such)?
Do you feel that you have an answer to any of these questions, please press that "Reply" button and type in your opinion. Thanks in advance!



(tl;dr version: You'll get a virtual cake if you reply "Yes, good idea!" to this post)
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: MaestroUGC on August 29, 2011, 11:16:09 PM
I say go for it. But before you do that, we need to figure out how large we are going to make the remixes, or is it whatever the remixer wants? If that's the case, then the judges will need to come up with a system to judge the varying styles of arranging.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Brassman388 on August 30, 2011, 12:16:19 AM
Interesting, yes.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 30, 2011, 12:27:04 AM
I'm tentatively agreeing to this idea (even though I may not have time to take part).
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Jub3r7 on August 30, 2011, 04:39:07 AM
Waltz seem to be my specialty now.  :P
This is going to be fun.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Bespinben on August 30, 2011, 10:06:01 AM
I support this idea. I particularly like the ideas of arranging for obscure instruments and making a song rock (Kanto Gym Battle maybe?)
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Clanker37 on August 30, 2011, 10:13:03 AM
Sounds like fun!  :D Oh, god three competions at once
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: fabbemannen on August 30, 2011, 01:44:09 PM
Noooooooow I'll give my opinion:
First. I've never competed in any of these due to my suckiness in making sheets
Second. I've never had anything against making normal remix's with normal instruments and not just the midi

So, are the arrangements supposed to be in mus-format only (created directly from a sheet music program) or can we make normal remix's?
I'm pretty sure it's like the words 2-10 said in the sentence above this, but just asking here
Maybe we can make some non-arranging contests later too (playing piano and recording, making a song using a snes-cartridge as a drum etc.)

Aside from my bad arrangements skills (I probably can if I try, but I only spend time on Finale when I'm making original songs), this sounds like a really nice idea and I will follow it
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Cobraroll on August 30, 2011, 08:26:54 PM
I say go for it. But before you do that, we need to figure out how large we are going to make the remixes, or is it whatever the remixer wants? If that's the case, then the judges will need to come up with a system to judge the varying styles of arranging.

Yes, the initial part of each round would usually be hidden for the contestants, where the scoring systems are worked out, judges selected, tasks selected, prizes chosen, etc. Then when the panelists are ready, the task is released to the public.

Also, the judges could compete in the voters' category. Not sure which of those would yield prizes if won, though.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: fingerz on August 30, 2011, 11:07:01 PM
Sounds good! Count me in!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Jub3r7 on August 31, 2011, 02:03:32 AM
So I turned all of the warp songs from Zelda into waltzes just for practice.
They actually sound pretty good.

...I should probably practice the notation part of it, though. :/
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 31, 2011, 02:11:41 AM
This sounds fun! I'd love to participate!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 31, 2011, 02:12:40 AM
So I turned all of the warp songs from Zelda into waltzes just for practice.

I loooove waltzes, they're so much fun. Bouncy and nice to play around with.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Cobraroll on August 31, 2011, 05:33:19 PM
Okay, looks like we're in for it, then!

First, we need some volunteers for judges for the first round. As you might have noticed by my number of arrangements on site and their quality/difficulty, I'm hardly one to judge how well other people do music.

It would also be great if people had any ideas for this project. I could provide prizes for a couple of rounds in the beginning, but it's not something I'd shell out for in the long run. I know we have a couple of gifted artists on this site, could they perhaps donate an original piece once in a while?

Claiming your eventual prize would also involve you giving away your home address. I'd have to have a place to send it after all. Anybody having any troubles with that?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Bespinben on August 31, 2011, 06:27:22 PM
Less personal information would be required if the prizes were, say, gifts on the Wii Shop Channel.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Jub3r7 on September 01, 2011, 12:10:44 AM
That's actually a really good idea.
People who don't want to give out their address could take a code for wii points as a prize.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 01, 2011, 12:24:33 AM
meh, that could be an option, but the wii shop has...well, not very much to offer...
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Jub3r7 on September 01, 2011, 12:46:23 AM
True, true.

It only has LOZ: OOT, MM, FFI, FFII, FFIII, Mega Man 1 through 5, the original Chrono Trigger, Kirby Super Star, Kirby's Dream Land 3, Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards, Castlevania, Castlevania III, Sonic and Knuckles, Sonic Chaos, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, the original Pilot Wings, Ninja Gaiden, SSB, Street Fighter 2, Super Punch Out!!, Secret of Mana, Mario Kart, Golf, Tennis, and Party, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Donkey Kong 3, Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble, Dig Dug, Pacman, Bubble Bobble, Pokemon Puzzle League, Snap, Ranch, Rumble, and hundreds of others you might have heard of. :P
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 01, 2011, 05:40:41 AM
myeah, but if your like me, you already bought whats good when it came out...and with everything good out, almost nothing else worth buying will come out again...


oh, and...You forgot Cave Story...
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Brassman388 on September 01, 2011, 06:08:10 AM
True, true.

It only has LOZ: OOT, MM, FFI, FFII, FFIII, Mega Man 1 through 5, the original Chrono Trigger, Kirby Super Star, Kirby's Dream Land 3, Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards, Castlevania, Castlevania III, Sonic and Knuckles, Sonic Chaos, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, the original Pilot Wings, Ninja Gaiden, SSB, Street Fighter 2, Super Punch Out!!, Secret of Mana, Mario Kart, Golf, Tennis, and Party, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, Donkey Kong 3, Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble, Dig Dug, Pacman, Bubble Bobble, Pokemon Puzzle League, Snap, Ranch, Rumble, and hundreds of others you might have heard of. :P

WHERE THE FUCK IS SUPER METROID!!!???!!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: fingerz on September 01, 2011, 06:09:42 AM
WHERE THE FUCK IS SUPER METROID!!!???!!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Brassman... you... must really like Metriod.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: MaestroUGC on September 01, 2011, 06:14:55 AM
WHERE THE FUCK IS SUPER METROID!!!???!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Should...should we be concerned about this?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Brassman388 on September 01, 2011, 06:33:21 AM
It's only one of the better series that Nintendo has to offer.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 01, 2011, 06:56:53 AM
You sure did drop the ball there, jub. How could you forget Cave Story AND Super Metroid??
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Brassman388 on September 02, 2011, 01:33:19 AM
Back on topic.

How do I get in?

When does it start?

What are the rules?

What do I get if I win?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: MaestroUGC on September 02, 2011, 01:57:56 AM
Yes, I'd would also like to participate in this. The sooner the better, although it doesn't make much of a difference right now.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Jub3r7 on September 02, 2011, 03:01:04 AM
Meh, I only searched through the first hundred or so of the virtual console games and picked out the ones that are easily recognized.

Anyways, when are we going to do this? I have to let my chorus teacher know if I can't find the Finale Disc that came from my brother's AP Music Theory Workbook.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Brassman388 on September 02, 2011, 03:17:10 AM
I does not has a Wii.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: IAmYou on September 02, 2011, 03:18:05 AM
I approve of this idea.

I'm in.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Cobraroll on September 05, 2011, 03:43:41 PM
OK, let's do it, then!

First, we're going to need a panel of judges. Anyone in? I'm not skilled enough to be a judge myself, but I could cooperate with them to help them run this first round, at least. The judges will first decide on the criteria, while I await my new card so I can actually purchase things on the Net. I think that would be cheaper than buying things here and send them over, as the fee for sending packages to the US from here starts at €10. Perhaps Steam games would be an idea as well? More privacy, less costly, Steam is free.

OK, I think three judges would be enough. What doesn't work in this round, will be changed for the next.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Dudeman on September 05, 2011, 04:45:55 PM
I'd be a judge! I'll probably be mostly criticizing the arrangements on wrong notes, but I'd like to help!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 05, 2011, 04:59:16 PM
I vote Maestro for sure on the judges panel.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Brassman388 on September 05, 2011, 06:31:16 PM
I guess I could be a judge...
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Bespinben on September 05, 2011, 07:48:29 PM
I nominate pumpy_heart. He's very knowledgeable on this sort of thing.

...and yes I vote for Maestro also.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Brassman388 on September 05, 2011, 07:56:02 PM
I'd much rather participate, though.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Bespinben on September 05, 2011, 07:59:07 PM
I don't see why a judge couldn't participate also. His work would just have to be judged by the other judges and not himself.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Cobraroll on September 05, 2011, 08:58:23 PM
^We'll probably have a popular vote as well, where the judges can participate.

Also, looks like we have two judges now and several people root for UGC. Let's give him a day or two to say if he's interested, if not the first one applying will get the job.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: MaestroUGC on September 06, 2011, 02:43:35 AM
Yeah, I'd be glad to judge...but I'd also like to play. I have an idea, if I do judge, I'll enter anyway for fun. I just want to try my hand at this.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 06, 2011, 02:44:42 AM
So I say we all choose a song to arrange.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Bespinben on September 06, 2011, 04:07:55 AM
I call N's Castle from Pokémon B/W.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 06, 2011, 04:10:16 AM
I was thinking maybe Professor Layton's Theme...or Dance With Babies from Partners in Time
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Brassman388 on September 06, 2011, 06:25:07 AM
Is it something that we can choose ourselves?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Clanker37 on September 06, 2011, 09:56:25 AM
Is it something that we can choose ourselves?
I think so. It's make it easier and would make people more interested if they have some control over the conditions. Later on if we wittle it down to really good arrangers then the judges should pick. 
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 06, 2011, 05:03:30 PM
I call Prof. Layton's Theme officially.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Jub3r7 on September 06, 2011, 07:50:48 PM
Also, is there a specific theme to the round, i.e. do we arrange it how we want or does everyone have to arrange their song into a waltz?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Bespinben on September 06, 2011, 08:12:44 PM
My guess is that the theme is "epically epic" (i.e. arrange a song you want as best as you can and the judging will be based on the quality of the arrangement)
Title: Re: Arrangement contests?
Post by: Cobraroll on September 06, 2011, 08:30:31 PM
My original idea was that the judges decide and announce the criteria. If everybody arranged whatever they wanted, it would be hard to find a winner. The songs being arranged would need to meet a criteria, for example "gloomy", "scary", "jolly", etc, and people could fickle a little with them to put them into another category (for example, "take a scary song and make it happy", or "arrange an originally non-violin song for violin"). That would be narrow enough to base a judgment on, while wide enough to give people lots of choices.

I'd say it's up to the judges (UGC, Brassman and Dudeman, if I'm not mistaken) to get together and "build the framework". Then when we're ready, a topic is made. I'll send out PMs.

*starts to browse the Steam store, looking for ideas*
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on January 04, 2012, 06:57:02 PM
Okay, now we've had a round of arrangement contest already, and seeing as we have this fine thread lying around for discussing arrangement contests, I'd like discussion of future contests to take place here. Fling out your ideas, critisism, and suggestions as to what to do better this time around. Hopefully, we'll get more attention on the second try.

Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on January 06, 2012, 12:02:24 AM
I wouldn't mind doing another "mood reversal" contest, now that I thought of a song I want to do.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 06, 2012, 12:30:11 AM
What about this odd competition: take a song in 4/4 time and arrange it into a waltz (3/4 time). Or all take a song from a certain game?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on January 06, 2012, 12:55:15 AM
I like the idea of waltz-ifying a piece, it would brove enough of a challange to alter the rhythms to work as well serving to create a proper waltz.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Clanker37 on January 06, 2012, 01:06:21 AM
What about this odd competition: take a song in 4/4 time and arrange it into a waltz (3/4 time).
I like it.

*Begins brewing idea cauldron*
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 06, 2012, 01:07:13 AM
That sounds boring-It doesn't take much to just change the meter of a song...So far the mood reversal was my favorite idea...
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: GoronsOrchestrated on January 06, 2012, 01:24:59 AM
That sounds boring-
I think otherwise... It would be interesting!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 06, 2012, 01:28:02 AM
That sounds boring-It doesn't take much to just change the meter of a song...So far the mood reversal was my favorite idea...

I actually thought the mood reversal was pretty awful. XD and I don't just mean changing the meter. I mean play with the melody and the tempo and the instrumentation to make it sound like a waltz. Eliminate some notes here and there, add a flourish, make it "bouncy".... I thought it sounded like a really fun idea.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 06, 2012, 03:21:01 AM
We should do something like, pick a style of music and make a vg tune fit that style. Essentially what you said with the waltz idea but more broad-say Pick a mario song and make it into a dixieland, or make a metroid tune into a march. Idk...
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on January 06, 2012, 04:02:48 AM
That would be too hard to critique though as it would create far too much variety with no control. By choosing one style to work with everyone can choose which ever piece they want and mold it to fit that style. Otherwise it would just be "Here's Zelda in jazz" against "The Metroid Tango", they may sound good, but how can you say which one conquered their respective styles better? Watlzes are a nice medium that can accomodate most VG Music and we have a wealth of watzes to which we can compare against to judge if it was done wonderfully or haphazardly.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: GoronsOrchestrated on January 06, 2012, 05:03:52 AM
That would be too hard to critique though as it would create far too much variety with no control. By choosing one style to work with everyone can choose which ever piece they want and mold it to fit that style. Otherwise it would just be "Here's Zelda in jazz" against "The Metroid Tango", they may sound good, but how can you say which one conquered their respective styles better? Watlzes are a nice medium that can accomodate most VG Music and we have a wealth of watzes to which we can compare against to judge if it was done wonderfully or hapharzardly.
BIG WORDS ROCK!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 06, 2012, 05:07:57 AM
I'm guessing you've never met Mashi. d:
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 06, 2012, 09:10:26 AM
That would be too hard to critique though as it would create far too much variety with no control. By choosing one style to work with everyone can choose which ever piece they want and mold it to fit that style. Otherwise it would just be "Here's Zelda in jazz" against "The Metroid Tango", they may sound good, but how can you say which one conquered their respective styles better? Watlzes are a nice medium that can accomodate most VG Music and we have a wealth of watzes to which we can compare against to judge if it was done wonderfully or haphazardly.

I meant have a fixed style and have the arranger choose the song.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on January 11, 2012, 05:22:28 AM
Well my vote would be to waltz-ify pieces. We can easily judge the arrangements against the original to see how well preserved the music is, and it will be a nice test to see what people can do with the originals while trying to make a good waltz.

On the issue of judging, we need to gid rid of the formating issue. Instead we need to have four categories, about worth five points each, with a fifth for popular vote. 1) Orchestration: Do the instruments serve the music? A simple copy/paste would result in a low score, while a dynamic orchestration would yield something higher. 2) Preservation: does the arrangement make it clear what the original was while meeting the criteria? If the arrangement only makes a single reference to the original while it does something else entirely, then it'll get a low score. 3) Creativity: does the arrangement go beyond the criteria? If it only does the basic change, low score. 4) Criteria: does the arrangement meet the criteria for the challenge? If no, low score; barely, middle; totally, high. 5) Popular vote: each entry gets a correspoding score from everyone who votes, an average from the votes for the piece out of all the votes.

We'd need three judges, plus a forth rotating judge if the judges wish to participate in the contest, to compensate for bias. If not then three would do.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 11, 2012, 06:39:11 PM
Lets do it.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on January 11, 2012, 09:17:34 PM
Okay, to reiterate:

Quote
On the issue of judging, we need to gid rid of the formating issue. Instead we need to have four categories, about worth five points each, with a fifth for popular vote:
1) Orchestration: Do the instruments serve the music? A simple copy/paste would result in a low score, while a dynamic orchestration would yield something higher.
2) Preservation: does the arrangement make it clear what the original was while meeting the criteria? If the arrangement only makes a single reference to the original while it does something else entirely, then it'll get a low score.
3) Creativity: does the arrangement go beyond the criteria? If it only does the basic change, low score.
4) Criteria: does the arrangement meet the criteria for the challenge? If no, low score; barely, middle; totally, high.
5) Popular vote: each entry gets a correspoding score from everyone who votes, an average from the votes for the piece out of all the votes.

We'd need three judges, plus a forth rotating judge if the judges wish to participate in the contest, to compensate for bias. If not then three would do.

Also, there seems to be popular demand to take any game song, and turn it into a decided musical style (proposals: march, waltz, no guarantee that we're going for either) using whatever instruments the arranger see fit.

Does this sum up what we've got so far? Come on people, this is the phase where you can influx the next round!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 11, 2012, 09:58:35 PM
:X I'm pretty sure maestro said waltz...march would be clumsier and harder in my opinion, but I suppose if more people wanted it I for one would be up for doing either.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on January 11, 2012, 10:27:53 PM
I think the decided musical style should be rock. It'd be fun.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 11, 2012, 11:09:40 PM
I think the decided musical style should be rock. It'd be fun.

Absolutely Not.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on January 11, 2012, 11:16:08 PM
Rock is an umbrella term, for all the many genres of rock (metal, pop, punk, heavy, etc, not to mention all of the combinations...)
That variety alone would make fair judging nearly impossible. If people were to choose one of them, then that would be easier. Personally, I'd rather not due rock in any sense.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Shadoninja on January 11, 2012, 11:31:28 PM
I vote death metal.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on January 11, 2012, 11:58:55 PM
They managed to do it with Gourmet Race, but... yeah, perhaps rock is a little out of the question unless we're really creative with the restrictions. Other styles, though... Could ragtime work? Or polka? Swing/Jazz?


On a note for eventual later rounds, what about "applying a setting"? For instance, here is a version of Dragon Roost Island with a pirate setting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8N0zdpGPn8

We could choose other settings as well. Western, Jungle, Futuristic, Frosty, Eerie, whatever, really.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on January 12, 2012, 12:09:01 AM
By rock, I meant something like a fight song. Take a chosen song and "battle-ify" it using standard rock band instruments (drums, electric bass, rhythm guitar, keyboard, ad lib). It wouldn't be quite as heavy as Gourmet Race SSMB perse (though it could be), but rather something that could easily fit into 1 on 1 fighting game, like Street Fighter.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on January 12, 2012, 12:12:18 AM
Just because it's a battle theme doesn't mean it's rock, that style of rendition is just that, a style. What you described would be the instrument set used to do it.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Raymondbl on January 12, 2012, 03:50:46 AM
I am not in favor of judges being able to participate as contestants.  If anything though, I would be willing to be a judge.  Contrary to what you might think, I do not think I am biased, and I have a decent understanding of music from being immersed in music so much.  If you do not need a judge or do not deem me as qualified, then I would like to participate.

I support the "Reverse Mood" idea, as it will be difficult and show the arranger's skills.  Waltzifying is a good idea too. 

Battle themes also do not need to have a fast pace, I think the Legend of Zelda Theme is somewhat of an example.   
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on January 12, 2012, 04:03:42 AM
We just did the reverse mood, it was our test run.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 12, 2012, 09:39:04 AM
If anything though, I would be willing to be a judge.

Absolutely not.

But enough joking. As much as I would hate to pass on the march idea, it seems like the waltz has the majority vote. Let's get this going already.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Meta-Ridley on January 12, 2012, 10:17:55 AM
I want to be in! As a participant. By the way I support the mood changing and the metre changing (not just waltzifying, but the mirror of the song)
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on January 13, 2012, 03:53:26 AM
Just throwing more ideas of there - what if we did some kind of "medley mashup" where one takes two songs from a game and arrange them in such a way that their melodies, when played similtaneous, form a new cohesive whole?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 13, 2012, 03:58:21 AM
Just throwing more ideas of there - what if we did some kind of "medley mashup" where one takes two songs from a game and arrange them in such a way that their melodies, when played similtaneous, form a new cohesive whole?

Polyphony?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on January 13, 2012, 04:30:06 AM
I suppose polyphony would be a good word for basis. For example, if this idea gets anywhere, I was thinking of arranging a piece that would similtaneously incorporate two different boss battle themes from a certain game that I'm not going to mention into one. It would be a good exercise in counterpoint.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 13, 2012, 04:33:31 AM
Omg. Was just thinking about that yesterday. Don't really want to do that for the competition though.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on January 13, 2012, 04:55:25 AM
I have a supporter! *woot*

It sounds like everyone wants to do a waltz though, but at least we got some new ideas for the third contest ^_^
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 13, 2012, 09:01:26 AM
Just throwing more ideas of there - what if we did some kind of "medley mashup" where one takes two songs from a game and arrange them in such a way that their melodies, when played similtaneous, form a new cohesive whole?

With bonus points if you can make it work with the two melodies in different keys!! And I don't mean relative major/minor :P
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on January 13, 2012, 09:39:49 AM
That would be awesome. Though, now I'm beginning to think that my "medley mashup, polyphony, counterpoint" proposal would be dissuading to many as it may require more technical prowess and less room for spontaneous creativity. I'm still all for it though.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Meta-Ridley on January 13, 2012, 01:28:39 PM
Yeah. Counterpoint turns me off.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Raymondbl on January 13, 2012, 03:02:46 PM
counterpoint? Bach FTW I'm in for it.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 13, 2012, 08:14:14 PM
I think it's the best idea we have so far.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on January 13, 2012, 11:36:14 PM
Ok, so we have waltz and polyphony/counterpoint to choose from. I think the latter would be more fun to do, but not this early in trying to get the game organized. We'd want something simple to make sure we all know how the game works, judging, rules, etc. Plus with something as complicated as combine two themes is, it may be a bit much for right now.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 14, 2012, 03:06:58 AM
Lets just do a quick round for the waltz. GOGOGO!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on January 14, 2012, 03:52:15 AM
Who's going to judge, same people as last time? If so we'd need a fourth because I'd like to enter the contest this time around.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 14, 2012, 03:53:03 AM
I'll judge. we'll switch out, since I'm participating too.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Raymondbl on January 14, 2012, 04:24:21 AM
I'll judge. we'll switch out, since I'm participating too.

If I am a judge, then I won't participate in the contest, but you got here first, so I guess I'll just stick with arranging.

*sadface*
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 25, 2012, 10:17:32 PM
...So?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on January 25, 2012, 10:49:57 PM
Okay, potential judges, send me a PM. Keep in mind that being a judge/juror (I still have to find out which word is the most appropriate, they will continue to be mixed wildly until then) requires you to actually do something.

But it's fun.

When three jurors have volunteered, we will agree on the exact wording of the arrangement task, deadline and other such things. All you others, fear not. We will take the suggestions posted in this topic into consideration (not doing so would require actual work, remember). When that is done, we'll put up a new topic. Then, you'll get an undisclosed number of days to work, until submissions are closed. Yes, just like the submission threads. Then, the jurors do their magic, and a winner will be announced shortly(?) thereafter.

Seems alright?

Also, keep discussing in this thread. Keep motivating each other. Have fun!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 25, 2012, 11:04:33 PM
So have we all agreed that this round will be the "Waltzifying" round? If anyone has an objection, speek up.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 25, 2012, 11:26:17 PM
Hold it!

This piece of evidence contradicts that statement, your honor!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Shadoninja on January 25, 2012, 11:31:06 PM
Hold it!

This piece of evidence contradicts that statement, your honor!
I fail to see how the evidence contradicts the statement. I'm going to have to penalize you, Mr. Jub3r7. Think harder before you raise an objection.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 25, 2012, 11:49:00 PM
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6614/threadderailed.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/threadderailed.jpg/)
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Shadoninja on January 25, 2012, 11:55:22 PM
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6614/threadderailed.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/threadderailed.jpg/)


guilty.

anyways, I think waltzifying sounds great.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on January 26, 2012, 05:27:26 PM
We have ONE judgror volunteered. As he also wishes to participate in the contest, we need THREE more.

First bird gets the worm, you know!
And the second mouse gets the cheese...
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Dudeman on January 27, 2012, 12:39:21 AM
Ooh! Ooh! Me again! Mememe!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 27, 2012, 01:51:13 AM
-_- betterdoagoodjobthistime....
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 27, 2012, 03:42:26 AM
Dudeman was the only judge that actually did anything? He was only being a bit harsh. Which was what he was instructed to do.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on January 27, 2012, 11:23:07 AM
Okay, that's THREE judgrors volunteering so far. ONE spot left, then.

The judgrors are:
Olimar12345
Dudeman
MaestroUGC
---YOUR NAME COULD BE HERE!---

Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on February 05, 2012, 12:56:12 PM
WE HAVE FOUR VOLUNTEERS!

Olimar12345
Dudeman
MaestroUGC
Raymondbl

Okay, judgrors, I'll contact you later today. Am a little busy at the moment (but it shouldn't matter to you anyway since you're all several hours behind me and probably sleeping while I write this).

Everybody else, stay tuned for a new topic popping up around here soon!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Jub3r7 on February 05, 2012, 07:09:08 PM
Okay, judgrors,
How do you even pronounce that?? XD
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on February 05, 2012, 10:09:06 PM
^"dgr" pronounced like B.

Any other questions?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on February 11, 2012, 03:48:23 AM
...so, are we getting this underway?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on February 11, 2012, 10:44:06 AM
^We are!

If you could send a PM to the judgrors containing a quotable paragraph with YouTube links to some of the examples we talked about, that would be awesome. I'll clean up the rules, make an introductionary paragraph, and the topic could be up today.

Who's excited for this?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Raymondbl on February 11, 2012, 02:24:28 PM
Who's excited for this?
Me!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on February 11, 2012, 07:27:45 PM
Just found the song I'm going to do. This is going to be awesome!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on March 12, 2012, 10:53:10 AM
Ok, so we have waltz and polyphony/counterpoint to choose from. I think the latter would be more fun to do, but not this early in trying to get the game organized. We'd want something simple to make sure we all know how the game works, judging, rules, etc. Plus with something as complicated as combine two themes is, it may be a bit much for right now.

I was fiddling around on the piano today when I happened to realize that "In the Hands of Fate" from PMD2 and the Zelda: OoT "Title Theme" used practically the same chord progression, so I fleshed out my ideas and made something of a PMD medley accompanied by the left hand of the OoT Title Theme (and right occasionally). I even came up with a spoof game this song would belong to! (see below) Just thought I'd post this here since it could be a good example of combining two themes (in this case, the Ocarina of Time Title Theme with various tunes from Pokemon Mystery Dungeon).

[GBA/DS/N64] The Legend of Ninetales: Pokéflute of Time
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"Title Theme" (SOLO):
[MUS] (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35209091/PMD%20%2B%20Zelda.mus) [MIDI] (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35209091/PMD%20%2B%20Zelda.mid) [PDF] (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35209091/PMD%20%2B%20Zelda.pdf)
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on March 12, 2012, 06:47:07 PM
Wrong topic?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on March 12, 2012, 07:11:05 PM
Correct topic. If you read what I was quoting, you'd see it was Maestro deciding whether to do the "waltz" theme (which we're currently doing now), or the "counterpoint/polyphony" theme. My post above was to give an example of the possibilities that lay for us in our next arrangement contest, should we choose to go with the "counterpoint/polyphony" theme. This is the brainstorming topic after all.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on March 12, 2012, 07:40:08 PM
Oh, snap-I didn't even see your quote! my bad. Its just that you posted the exact same "I was fiddling around on my piano..." post elsewhere in the forums.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on March 12, 2012, 07:42:59 PM
Not the exact same, I added a couple extra sentences at the end for relevence to this topic, but I can definitely understand where you're coming from.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on March 14, 2012, 02:25:55 AM
Less than five days left! Now's the time to make your final adjustments and turn them in; don't risk missing the deadline, any product is better than no product. Don't forget that you must place your ID number in the "Arranged by" space, and turn in your submissions to Cobra, not me or the other judgrors. The clock is ticking...
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on March 14, 2012, 04:34:50 AM
Less than five days left! Now's the time to make your final adjustments and turn them in; don't risk missing the deadline, any product is better than no product. Don't forget that you must place your ID number in the "Arranged by" space, and turn in your submissions to Cobra, not me or the other judgrors. The clock is ticking...

Lol, wrong topic Maestro. Post that in the "grand dance" thread.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on March 14, 2012, 05:27:52 AM
Whoops.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on March 14, 2012, 10:34:27 PM
Bahahahahahaha!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on April 05, 2012, 08:36:34 AM
I dunno if you guys are still worn out from having just finished the Waltz contest, but as for me, I'm already stoked for Arrangement Contest 3! I'm hoping everyone still wants to do "theme combination/counterpoint/polyphony".
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on April 05, 2012, 05:39:10 PM
I think that would be good, but let's wait until may-ish, since that's around when most of us will have summer break.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on April 05, 2012, 05:57:21 PM
I dunno if you guys are still worn out from having just finished the Waltz contest, but as for me, I'm already stoked for Arrangement Contest 3! I'm hoping everyone still wants to do "theme combination/counterpoint/polyphony".
The only thing wrong with the example you posted it that it isn't polyphony. Polyphony means there are two or more melodic lines happening at the same time. You just used the pokemon melody over the zelda background. In the music business, you can only copyright melody and lyrics-not background or chord changes. So you could legally call that an arrangement of the pokemon song and not have to give credit to anything zelda. :P
As for polyphony, fugues are great examples: See? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up6DnLBgZc0)
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: K-NiGhT on April 05, 2012, 06:24:52 PM
I dunno if you guys are still worn out from having just finished the Waltz contest, but as for me, I'm already stoked for Arrangement Contest 3! I'm hoping everyone still wants to do "theme combination/counterpoint/polyphony".
Lol that's not fair you already have one!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on April 05, 2012, 11:07:30 PM
The only thing wrong with the example you posted it that it isn't polyphony. Polyphony means there are two or more melodic lines happening at the same time. You just used the pokemon melody over the zelda background. In the music business, you can only copyright melody and lyrics-not background or chord changes. So you could legally call that an arrangement of the pokemon song and not have to give credit to anything zelda. :P
As for polyphony, fugues are great examples: See? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up6DnLBgZc0)

Ah ok. So, if I may help solidify what the next contest would be, it would be a fugue contest in which one carefully combines two different melodic themes from a video game(s). I had a few reasons for posting that "example", one was for practice, another was to generate interest in such a type contest, and another was to get a better idea of what exactly the contest would be about. Thanks to your input Olimar, you fulfilled the third of those reasons.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on April 06, 2012, 03:06:55 AM
Hmm, so would it be a fugue contest, because that implies something different and actually requires a great mastery of both the original piece, composition in general, and an even greater mastery of the instruments needed than presented in this last contest.

Otherwise just overlaying two themes together doesn't take a lot of work. Heck, I did that during this last contest, though I doubt people noticed.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 06, 2012, 04:35:09 AM
That competition sounds Absolutely Horrendous =P
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on April 07, 2012, 01:14:49 AM
A fugue is just an example of polyphony-we don't have to do fugues...
Marches are also a great example of polyphonic music(usually towards the end): start at 1:20 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1sAzdf0n_0)
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 07, 2012, 03:28:26 AM
Why can't we just take a song and arrange it for orchestra? No specific requirements? Can do anything? :P seems more fun.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on April 07, 2012, 03:34:24 AM
Just orchestrating songs seem incredibly boring imo...
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 07, 2012, 03:39:15 AM
I didn't say just orchestrating. "No specific requirements" involves creative freedom. The results would be more interesting to look at imo if everyone did something different.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on April 07, 2012, 03:41:36 AM
Eh....I'd still prefer themes.  :)

I like to write free atonal pieces, which I don't think would be very popular around here....
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 07, 2012, 03:48:15 AM
I understand the appeal, haha, but it's so limiting XD
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 08, 2012, 07:09:07 PM
What about single instrument? Let's give the organ players out there something to practise? Or, to be frank, I've missed bagpipe arrangements of video game songs.

Percussion only? The contestants are only allowed to use Finale. The goal would be making the least cringe-worthy piece.

Or "extension"? Taking any in-game sound, at most ten seconds long, and make it a full arrangement at least 1:30 minutes long.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Shadoninja on April 08, 2012, 07:37:46 PM
Percussion only? The contestants are only allowed to use Finale. The goal would be making the least cringe-worthy piece.

CYMBAL QUARTET! do it.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on April 08, 2012, 07:48:46 PM
That's not a bad idea, arrange a piece to be done by a single player, non-keyboard. Let's find those Paganini's and Popper's and give them something worthy of their talents.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 08, 2012, 08:31:19 PM
Vuvuzela, anyone?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on April 08, 2012, 09:39:07 PM
I think it should be up the the player to choose what instrument they want to arrange for, as long as it isn't a keyboard (no piano, organ, harpsichord, clavichord or celeste) and picking the Harp is rather wimpy as well. Since people here tend to have different primary instruments besides piano, this will be their best chance to show their stuff.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on April 08, 2012, 11:24:20 PM
The single instrument idea is neat-but would there be a "Theme" for it?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: K-NiGhT on April 09, 2012, 12:15:42 AM
We'll make one. ;D
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Raymondbl on April 09, 2012, 12:17:47 AM
I also like the single instrument idea.  There should not be a difficulty limit, but it should be possible. Like, you can't have double stops on violin strings not adjacent to each other.   
It's also more forgiving to people who don't have as much time to arrange full orchestra pieces. 

Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: K-NiGhT on April 09, 2012, 12:38:13 AM
you can't have double stops on violin strings not adjacent to each other.   
Wut. That's totes possible >:0
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on April 09, 2012, 01:31:03 AM
What about having a single instrument ensemble? (e.g. Saxophone choir)

If we did that, then we could better showcase the abilities of the chosen instrument.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on April 09, 2012, 03:54:20 AM
Solo instrument would be harder, and I'm for that challenge!
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on April 09, 2012, 04:20:05 AM
Same here, in the sign-ups we should have people claim the instrument they want to use, so we don't have 3 people all arranging for the violin. We'd need one judge for each instrument group, i.e. someone for strings, someone for winds, brass, and percussion (though there'd really only be mallets and timpani)
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on April 09, 2012, 05:34:26 AM
I can judge wind instruments. Though, I'd probably want to arrange something for low brass...
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on April 09, 2012, 05:48:10 AM
Personally, I'd like to use the Cello.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: K-NiGhT on April 09, 2012, 05:56:52 AM
Totes violin.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 09, 2012, 09:52:31 AM
Same here, in the sign-ups we should have people claim the instrument they want to use, so we don't have 3 people all arranging for the violin.

Several songs may be arranged on the same instrument, so I think it would be safe to allow several people to arrange for the same instrument. On the other hand, it would be rather boring if we got 4 violins, 2 saxophones and a cymbal, so some measures should be taken. What about only two slots for each instrument? Or bonus points for creative choice of instrument?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Raymondbl on April 09, 2012, 02:22:20 PM
whatever it is, I don't think there should be a limit to how many people do what instrument. 
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on April 09, 2012, 07:15:10 PM
^I disagree. Cobra has a good point-I don't want to see all string instruments... Two arrangers per instrument seems rather fine to me.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 09, 2012, 09:00:02 PM
Though... it would be a little unfair with regards to time zones and such. If we just run "early bird gets the worm", a lot of good ideas could be turned down because the arranger didn't happen to be online when the thread was made. We could also end up with some early posters claiming i.e. violin and saxophone before they get a good idea, then suddenly they are too busy to finish and the ones who could have made a splendid violin or saxophone arrangement gets turned down. I think we should discourage the use of common instruments rather than restrict it. No doubt we would need to take some measures to prevent everybody from choosing the same instruments, but how?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: insaneintherain on April 10, 2012, 05:03:37 AM
Baritone saxophone all the way. Nobody steals my bari.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on April 10, 2012, 05:26:56 AM
How about this, we limit the instruments that typically are solo instruments, i.e. stuff that Concertos are most commonly written for (violin, flute, clarinet, trumpet, etc.) and allow more for rare instrument choices (timpani, viola, bassoon, english horn, french horn) and leave the rest in the middle (cello, saxes, trombone, oboe, marimba, whatever else people want).

So we allow 2 violins max, 3 cellos, and 4 violas; divide the rest as such.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: K-NiGhT on April 10, 2012, 05:36:16 AM
Ok. So the limited instruments will be first come, first served?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on April 10, 2012, 05:41:03 AM
I think not, we should allow people to sign up for them, then do a random drawing for who gets to do it. That's means have a back-up or two to work with if you don't get your first or second choice.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 10, 2012, 09:34:44 AM
The problem with this limiting is that people often overestimate their idle time. We had 11 sign-ups for the last contest. 6 handed in. Say that we have a couple of violin virtousos who would make awesome arrangements, but some slacker gets to draw the violin first, then his exams are coming and he ends up not handing in. That would be a waste.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: master_gamer38 on April 10, 2012, 11:43:51 AM
I'm going to pop in and throw out the idea of SATB choir with piano accompaniment arrangement, but with original lyrics. It forces creativity with the lyrics while also keeping plenty of variety in there.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on April 10, 2012, 11:47:49 AM
I'm going to pop in and throw out the idea of SATB choir with piano accompaniment arrangement, but with original lyrics. It forces creativity with the lyrics while also keeping plenty of variety in there.

This is the best idea ever. We should really consider this.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 10, 2012, 12:14:15 PM
^that sounds wonderful
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on April 10, 2012, 12:17:04 PM
*begins fantasizing about making an SATB + piano accompanimient + original lyrics version of some super sad song from Pokémon Mystery Dungeon :3 :3 :3*

What's great about this is my primary music experience lies within choir. Ever since I left for college though, I haven't had much a chance at all to do much of anything singing related, so this will definitely be a great outlet for my pent-up energies.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: K-NiGhT on April 10, 2012, 05:56:35 PM
*begins fantasizing about making an SATB + piano accompanimient + original lyrics version of some super sad song from Pokémon Mystery Dungeon :3 :3 :3*

Parting. Go. Now.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Raymondbl on April 10, 2012, 07:05:30 PM
but he's not allowed to until it actually starts. 
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on April 10, 2012, 10:06:43 PM
That's good, but would we be judging on the lyrical content as well? I'm not much of a writer, but I can put text to a melody easily.

The thing is with SATB + piano is that most people here don't have the first idea of what the human voice can do, since they don't have experience either with a solo, small ensemble, or an entire chorus. I'm like Bespinben, my musical training was entirely in the choir with no outside help. An SATB choir is far more limiting than instrumental music because there are far more restrictions on what the voice can do, as opposed to a violin. Choral music is a far different beast than everything else.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: insaneintherain on April 10, 2012, 11:50:58 PM
That's good, but would we be judging on the lyrical content as well? I'm not much of a writer, but I can put text to a melody easily.

The thing is with SATB + piano is that most people here don't have the first idea of what the human voice can do, since they don't have experience either with a solo, small ensemble, or an entire chorus. I'm like Bespinben, my musical training was entirely in the choir with no outside help. An SATB choir is far more limiting than instrumental music because there are far more restrictions on what the voice can do, as opposed to a violin. Choral music is a far different beast than everything else.
He's right. I know nothing about Choral Music at ALL.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on April 11, 2012, 12:00:49 AM
Alright, so it seems that most of us are really liking the SATB choir + piano accompanimient idea. However, if we were to go through with that, we would need not only a sufficient amount of entries, but also judges who are experienced in the choral art. Thus, I would like to ask, how many people would seriously "like to" / "be able to" participate in such a contest?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Raymondbl on April 11, 2012, 12:19:16 AM
He's right. I know nothing about Choral Music at ALL.

same here.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on April 11, 2012, 12:37:49 AM
He's right. I know nothing about Choral Music at ALL.

Solution: Participants have the option to pair up in teams of 2, in which one person would handle the piano accompanimient and the other would handle writing out parts for the choir. Such an option would allow people who are unlearned of choral music the chance to still participate.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: master_gamer38 on April 11, 2012, 12:40:50 AM
This is a chance to learn, create a piece that can be simply done rather than doing overly virtuosic piece.

Just like knowing a range for an oboe, one could know a general range for soprano. It's not that hard to write for voice.

I honestly see way more point in writing for voice than anything else. It's an 'instrument' that everyone uses, why not know how to write for it?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Raymondbl on April 11, 2012, 01:00:19 AM
I think range isn't a problem, but Ilike the duet idea.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on April 11, 2012, 01:15:47 AM
I still wanna do the solo instrument thingy....
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Raymondbl on April 11, 2012, 01:23:59 AM
As you could guess, by far my best is piano arranging, and if I could pair up with someone who's uber good with choir, then that would be perfect.  Solo instrument works too, but I might like the duo arranging more. 
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on April 11, 2012, 02:15:55 AM
How about whatever we do next, we do it in teams of two? Even if we decide against the choral music....
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 11, 2012, 02:56:10 AM
*ahem* I would like to take this moment to say the following in response to comments that you can't arrange choral because you haven't been trained chorally, or don't know anything about chorals:

My musical ability? I play the piano rather well. I'm currently in my seventh year of piano. Musical ability beyond performance? Somewhat decent. Not bad, for someone who only plays piano.

That's right, not only do I not play any other instruments; going into Finale last year, I had no idea how they were played, how they were supposed to be used, even what their ranges were. I am clueless as to music theory, didn't know what key signatures were until about a year and a half ago (if that), and had no idea how to work a metronome until a year before that. My old (crappy) teacher never really covered any of that stuff. I've never had a music class in school.

But here's what I'm saying (I'm trying to figure how to word this properly without sounding like an ignoramus):
I have learned an UNHOLY amount about the orchestra and music in general in the last year and a half or so--just by using Finale for orchestral compositions and arrangements beyond just piano, and occasionally using wikipedia or asking a m to read up on instruments or the occasional theory. I have used nearly all the instruments by this point and know a lot about music. In other words, it matters ZERO if you know anything about the instrument going in (beyond the obvious). The only way you're going to learn more about it is to experiment. If that means taking a risk and entering the competition even though you might do horribly? Who cares? I personally have never used chorals beyond the occasional soprano or something in a composition, so I would see it as a learning experience. I consider myself musically adept, but it does not matter at all to me personally if I have learned about the instrument before going in. If you know the clef, you obviously know how to enter notes in, no? I'm probably stupid or reckless or whatever to experiment first and read up on it later, but I find that in the end I'm wiser because of it.

I have another, totally unrelated rant as well that maybe I want some opinions about? Maybe I just want to rant: I personally believe that composing does not have to have anything really to do with well-thought-out pieces using theory or whatever.
My composing methods are ridiculously awful by typical standards:
A) Sitting at the piano playing completely random notes, saying "hmm that sounds cool" and then entering it in to Finale with random instruments and adding a bit of complexity.
B) making a new Finale document, selecting a bunch of instruments that I like, occasionally along one or two I haven't used before, then literally just humming to myself and entering my humming into Finale. Sometimes I'll even say a phrase that's on my mind and write a melody based on the change in pitch of my voice.
But I am nearly always proud of my efforts at the end anyway. My method and lack of thinking out a piece based on theory doesn't have an impact on the music for me.

I'm sure that is going to elicit responses like "that's not real composing" or "you seriously know nothing about music" but truthfully I don't care. I learn a lot about music in my processes.

Ack... *works up nerve to click Post*
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on April 11, 2012, 03:27:03 AM
That's not quite right, though. The theory is the same, the practice is different. You have to be able to take into account the sound you want, figure out wether you want a certain part to have the deep resonance of an alto section; or give it a bold, yet lighter, sound with the tenors? With instruments, you know exactly what you can get out of them with little variation, outside of bizarre techniques.

Who here actually listens to choral music, backed by a piano/orchestra or a cappella? You could two pieces by the same composer, hell just two sections in the same compositions, and you can tell there's a large difference in their sound. Just look at any Requiem.

Slow, I'm not saying what you said is wrong, that's how I learned everything I know today, by application. The thing is, you can't do that with the voice, because all of the limits are theoretical. You can have one soprano whose range lies from B3-G5, and another whose range lies from E4-C6, yet they stand right next to each other in the soprano section. With a string section, everybody needs to have the same prowess on their instrument to make the music work, but a choir is built on the sound of the group by their individual merits. I've been in choirs where some incredible sopranos have sung alto because that's where their quality of voice best suited the choir.

About your composition process, you're fine.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: insaneintherain on April 11, 2012, 05:04:26 AM
How about whatever we do next, we do it in teams of two? Even if we decide against the choral music....
How do you think that would work?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on April 11, 2012, 05:07:42 AM
Well, whatever we decide to do, we anonymously assign the contestants in groups of two. Then they pm/email/skype each other and arrange the piece together.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: K-NiGhT on April 11, 2012, 05:09:13 AM
Well, i think it's a good idea, but what if one arranger (me, perhaps) doesn't have enough time to do his part? That's not fair to the other person.

(before you say they shouldn't have signed up, i say things can come up lots of times.)
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on April 11, 2012, 05:18:01 AM
In the event that a person has to drop out, they will alert both the host and his partner. The remaining player can either choose to continue on his own or retire from the contest. However, we should save that for a larger contest, since we seem to be between the "Solo Instrument" and "Choral" contests, which don't require much effort to pull off.

I'm for the Solo contest, if the majority chooses the Choral contest, we need to decide whether or not to write lyrics, because that's another layer of composition to worry about, as opposed to just pitches and layering.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: K-NiGhT on April 11, 2012, 05:27:49 AM
I like the solo instrument
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on April 11, 2012, 05:29:19 AM
I like the solo instrument
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on April 11, 2012, 06:25:07 AM
We should put this on a poll.

Choral.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 11, 2012, 10:20:41 AM
Having people pair up to do something is a recipe for chaos. The smallest obstacle is, we would need an even number of participants. Even then there might be more people inclined to do instrumental work than choral (seeing as all entrants are likely to be fairly adept with instruments, but not everybody knows choral work).
Then some people might find out last minute that they can't do this. His/her partner will then have about a day to find somebody else to work with, or slap together something themselves, and you have the stuff with ID numbers, and you'd have to find competent judgrors, and...

To put it bluntly, the easiest thing to organize would be the solo idea. We could do lyrics later as a mini-contest.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 11, 2012, 12:11:57 PM
I'd rather work on my own...and as to my vote:
Choral, with lyrics
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: insaneintherain on April 11, 2012, 04:33:20 PM
I think we should do the solo instrument thing. Maybe we could have both running at once...
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 11, 2012, 06:22:20 PM
^As if one person would be willing to coordinate that... ;)

Okay, putting up a poll for the world to see. You have until tomorrow to come up with suggestions.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on April 11, 2012, 09:26:08 PM
I only brought up the idea of working in teams as an OPTION to participants in the contest. One could still work on his or her own should he or she wish to do so. I thought of it as a way so that people who didn't feel confident in choral arranging could still participate by contributing to the piano accompanimient.

And thanks for putting up the poll Cobra.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 12, 2012, 10:34:09 PM
Poll up. Be nice and vote.

Also, be patient. I'll be away for the weekend, so I won't be able to fix or add poll options before Sunday evening. You're warned.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: dahans on April 13, 2012, 06:28:07 AM
voted for choir and piano. Its a good exercise.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 13, 2012, 10:14:45 AM
Okay, got a little more time than initially thought today.

So I added an "other" option. Feel free to use it.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 13, 2012, 01:25:20 PM
I think the two choir/piano options should be counted together and then we can work in pairs if we want
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 13, 2012, 01:56:57 PM
Perhaps, say we judge individual pieces, and let the contestants sort out the pairs themselves? I.e. both contestants sign up for the contest, and specify that they are working together. I send one of them an ID, and they sort it out between them. Makes it a little easier to coordinate.

If two individuals find out that they prefer working together after both have gotten an ID, they could PM me and I say which ID they can put in their sheet.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on April 23, 2012, 06:52:24 PM
It seems we're at an impass here - a total of 7 votes for choir and piano and a total of 7 votes for solo instrument. I suppose "choir and piano - individual" is winning technically since it has the most votes of the 4 options, but that's a very narrow way of looking at things.

EDIT: Someone else just voted for choir and piano - pairs. This is the first new vote I've seen in awhile though.

EDIT 2: Someone else just voted for single instrument - free choice, leaving the voting perfectly tied up.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on April 27, 2012, 06:12:30 AM
Ok, any chance we could get this going. I see it's an even tie between the two, my main issue with the choral contest is lyrics. Would we be responsible for writing them, or can we get them from a source (related to the piece in question at least, or just write a bunch of oo's and ah's?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: pumpy_heart on April 27, 2012, 07:06:39 AM
Problem solved.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 27, 2012, 10:13:20 AM
Lyrics would have to be made by the contestants, and be original. Otherwise, what's the fun?

For the time being, it looks like Solo Instruments are in the lead. I think it's time to make a decision.

You have until Sunday to vote.

Judgror signups will begin once we have decided on what type of contest to do.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 27, 2012, 06:37:55 PM
Whichever one we do I think we should do the other next time
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Raymondbl on April 27, 2012, 06:41:57 PM
If it's Solo, I'm signing up.  If it's Choir, I'm signing up too, just as a judge.  Judgror isn't even in the dictionary.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 27, 2012, 07:58:36 PM
I'll probably sign up either way. But I think I'd claim the accordion if solo, that would be pretty fun.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 27, 2012, 08:27:24 PM
Judgror isn't even in the dictionary.

Until I find out whether Juror or Judge would be the correct term, it might as well be.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 27, 2012, 08:29:03 PM
Judge, we're not convicting anyone...
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 27, 2012, 11:00:58 PM
Ahh. I thought, as there are several members they make up a Jury, whereas Judge would imply only one person is making the decision.

I'll still stick with Judgror. Perhaps I'll put in a footnote saying "technically, judge", but I like the term too much to simply thrash it.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 28, 2012, 01:36:41 AM
Well I think "judgror" is cute so maybe we should stick with it
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: fingerz on April 28, 2012, 03:11:02 AM
I'd like to be a judge next time.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 29, 2012, 07:00:40 PM
Solo instrument it is.

Potential judgrors, I await your PMs. As usual, contest specifications will be posted as soon as the judgrors have agreed on a set of rules and criteria.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 30, 2012, 10:50:39 AM
Three judgrors have signed up so far. Who wants to be the fourth?

The three are:

Dudeman
Olimar12345
MaestroUGC
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Raymondbl on April 30, 2012, 12:15:21 PM
Sorry I'm not judging this time, want to arrange.  Not that I'll have any chance...
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 30, 2012, 05:10:12 PM
Three judgrors have signed up so far. Who wants to be the fourth?

The three are:

Dudeman
Olimar12345
MaestroUGC

I'll do it! If I can also participate. If not, sorry.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 30, 2012, 05:14:55 PM
Okay, we have four:

Dudeman
Olimar12345
MaestroUGC
SlowPokemon

PMs will be sent out to judgrors shortly.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 30, 2012, 05:24:43 PM
I can still enter the competition, right?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on April 30, 2012, 05:52:07 PM
Yes, you can. Your piece will be judgred by the other judgrors.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on May 01, 2012, 05:13:51 AM
^ Me too? :3
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on May 01, 2012, 08:16:55 AM
^ Yes, you can. Your piece will be judgred by the other judgrors.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on May 01, 2012, 08:58:20 AM
Double post!

Anyway, I'm discussing deadlines with the judgrors now. We know that exams are coming up for many of you, and deadlines should account for this, but we don't know when people will be busy.

Thus, we ask you: When is your last exam this year?

Poll up.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: insaneintherain on May 01, 2012, 11:57:17 PM
Double post!

Anyway, I'm discussing deadlines with the judgrors now. We know that exams are coming up for many of you, and deadlines should account for this, but we don't know when people will be busy.

Thus, we ask you: When is your last exam this year?

Poll up.
Thank you for this poll. I really think that'll help all of us have a better time period to work on these pieces.

Since I'm only in Middle School (currently) all I have are a few MSP tests this week and next, and a Geometry EOC sometime in June, but the June one is hilariously easy.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on May 02, 2012, 01:33:24 AM
I see "earlier than May10" is winning, but my last ones are the week of the 20th~25th...so I won't be able to do really earlier than that...
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on May 02, 2012, 03:10:21 AM
Whatever wins the poll doesn't really matter, we most likely won't start until the last date people vote for. If you're done with school before that, it really doesn't make a difference if we start later.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Shadoninja on May 27, 2012, 04:02:09 AM
How about one where the contestants choose one of the post groups (with exception to Blank Manuscript Paper and Video Game Midi) and interpret it musically. If necessary, they could be split up between entire series ("Kirby Chorale", "Pokemon Polka", etc.) and specific in-game whatchamacallits ("Epona Elegy", "Ordon Overture", Etc.)

(http://www.ninsheetm.us/jamaha/stars.png)
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Bespinben on May 27, 2012, 06:35:53 AM
That is actually a REALLY cool idea. Me groosta.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: K-NiGhT on May 27, 2012, 06:36:36 AM
obvious good idea is obvious.
Title: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Shadoninja on June 19, 2012, 08:42:01 PM
How bout one where you pick a few songs from a soundtrack and make medley-style credits music

Super Mario RPG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isZsf_2cKh0)

Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QC8E9Q4gJM)

Pokemon Firered/Leafgreen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTASi6CR04g)
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Jub3r7 on June 26, 2012, 12:50:13 AM
Quote
How about one where the contestants choose one of the post groups (with exception to Blank Manuscript Paper and Video Game Midi) and interpret it musically. If necessary, they could be split up between entire series ("Kirby Chorale", "Pokemon Polka", etc.) and specific in-game whatchamacallits ("Epona Elegy", "Ordon Overture", Etc.)

[MUS] (http://199.91.153.59/xxgbebwq43ag/b5oe1vperye8ybs/BMP.mus)
Aw darn, I made this before I noticed the exceptions. :(
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Shadoninja on November 30, 2012, 05:32:01 PM
film music contest

take 1 or more songs from a game and arrange music for a scene as if that game was made into a movie.

contestants have to write a scenario. cutscene music that already exists can be integrated but not copied directly.

Example: Chrono Symphonic (http://chrono.ocremix.org/)

(slow would love this)
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Shadoninja on December 10, 2012, 04:52:09 AM
Musicals

same idea as film music but in the style of a musical with lyrics and such.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Yugi on December 10, 2012, 05:08:01 AM
How bout one where you pick a few songs from a soundtrack and make medley-style credits music

Super Mario RPG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isZsf_2cKh0)

Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QC8E9Q4gJM)

Pokemon Firered/Leafgreen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTASi6CR04g)
That is a good Idea, maybe have whole series instead of individual games though.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Shadoninja on December 10, 2012, 05:16:43 AM
That is a good Idea, maybe have whole series instead of individual games though.
That might end up being too convoluted unless a person chooses a trilogy. It's certainly an option if people want to do it but I think we should stick to a single game's music.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 10, 2012, 08:10:31 AM
How about one where the contestants choose one of the post groups (with exception to Blank Manuscript Paper and Video Game Midi) and interpret it musically. If necessary, they could be split up between entire series ("Kirby Chorale", "Pokemon Polka", etc.) and specific in-game whatchamacallits ("Epona Elegy", "Ordon Overture",
Pic

I'm still in favor of this idea.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: Cobraroll on December 10, 2012, 08:31:53 AM
I'm all for another round, but it requires a certain level of caring for things to go round.

Last time, we had 9 sign-ups. Even with the deadline extended to five times what we originally set, we only got in two sheets. When those were sent to the four judgrors, only one of them ever replied.

Are people too busy?
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on December 10, 2012, 08:43:43 AM
I don't think it's so much as that people are busy, but it's just not high on people's priority lists. That said, winter break is upon us, so if we can aim for a contest to start...in a week and end by/around New Year's, I anticipate people will be more inclined to participate.

Maybe.
Title: Re: Arrangement contests - brainstorming topic
Post by: dahans on December 12, 2012, 11:06:54 PM
I'd be in! :D:D:D